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Before y'all ask, I'm not american, I'm mexican.

The reason of why I'm asking this question in this subreddit it's because my (corrupt and horrible) president AMLO has prometing us many times in these 6 years of his (awful) goverment that we gonna have a good healthcare system as the danish one.

As you can imagine.....We're SO far from having at least a decent healthcare system like the european countries, so, after this explication, I want to ask you:

How good do you think it's your healthcare system?

What do you think yout sytem fails and in what ways?

Did you have only good experiences or you had a bad experience with it?

I would really blessed to read your answers :)


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lakesara at 2024-03-15 03:04:55+00:00 ID: kuxtbk6


Wow love this questions u asked.yeah health care system in Denmark is different from that off European but!!!!!

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Helmutlot2 at 2024-03-15 04:31:10+00:00 ID: kuy4874


But what?

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zukeen at 2024-03-15 07:12:59+00:00 ID: kuyjeqy


Wtf is this comment

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grillbar86 at 2024-03-15 11:05:22+00:00 ID: kuz2wic


This is from my perspective And I work in the Healthcare system. The Healthcare system is really good and does some things amazingly. The problem with the Healthcare system is that it is heavily underfunded and has been for years, especially to the demands and requirements set and expected.

The staff, equipment and procedures is amazing. The problem is that there is not enough educated personal to deal with the tasks one of the reasons for that is that they are also not fairly compensated. So lack of funding and lack of personal means longer wait lists. Longer wait lists means less effective procedures and more pointless bureaucracy that also results is longer wait list and more doing the same thing multiple times in difference sectors. That results in the personal being more pressured to work faster making them more stressed and discouraging more people from joining.

Then there's the privat sector that helps eliviate some of the puplic sector but that often ends up being a wealth segregated, so wealthy people get better treatment then less fortunate people.

Is it bad no absolutely not, but it's decent. It would be so much better if it got the proper funding to meet the demands but it's also hard finding the money without hurting other areas.

Tldr: yeah its okay just underfunded, the waiting list is to long in most sectors, and the staff don't have enough time to deal with the patient fully, due to lack of staff and lack of funding

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Onefoldbrain at 2024-03-15 04:23:37+00:00 ID: kuy3cq8


I'd say first step to create any public service, is to crush corruption - otherwise it would be worse than private healthcare. Healthcare seems like a silly thing to focus on with rampant corruption and drug cartels in Mexico. You have to be able to trust each other if you want to share expenses via a tax.

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fjender at 2024-03-15 06:11:38+00:00 ID: kuye7rm


It is worth mentioning that healthcare expands beyond the hospitals and general practice (is this the correct term?). We also have school nurses and school psychologist.

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Boulevardier_99 at 2024-03-15 05:53:03+00:00 ID: kuycjmp


Hello friend! I work in the health sector, and this is an interesting question to me.

It's also very interesting that your President promised you that. But I'm afraid it's not very realistic, but mind you I don't know much about Mexican politics or economy.

So our main hospital in the capital city "Rigshospitalet" which means The Kingdom's Hospital, is ranked nr. 15 out of 2000 hospitals in 25 countries according to Newsweek.. The Hospital in Aarhus ranks nr 32. Ranks 101-200 are ranked equally for some reason, but we have 2 hospitals in there, so 4 hospitals out of the 200 best. (They looked at 2000 hospitals and ranked the top 200) Pretty good for a nation of only 5,5 million people.

As for the pharmacies, if you need expensive medicine, the state will pay for some of it. Actually the more expensive, the more will be paid for you. This is kinda hard to explain, maybe google can translate this for you.

Then there's "serviceloven" (The Service Law). This means that, for example, if you're so old or handicapped that you can't clean your own home, or cook food for yourself, the local government must send workers to your home, to help you with that. They also help by administering medicine, help with social or psychological issues, and so on. There's a whole education with two levels were you can become specialised in this, called SOSU (social and health assistant). It's kind of like a nurse, but less specialised in health, but more well rounded. You often see these people driving around, there are thousands and thousands of them.

I don't have any more time right now, there are surely many more interesting details. If anyone wants to continue this text, please do.

Thanks for reading, have a nice weekend everyone 😊

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Boulevardier_99 at 2024-03-15 06:01:14+00:00 ID: kuyda81


Huh, I just saw this post. Perhaps you can Google translate it:

https://www.reddit.com/r/Denmark/s/NVfU5lEJGW

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Moebius2 at 2024-03-15 03:22:11+00:00 ID: kuxvnsk


I'm quite young so luckily I haven't spent too much in the healthcare system. In practical terms I can get a 15-minute meeting with my doctor within a week free of charge. If I had some psychological problems, he would first take a blood test and give me some vitamins, but if it didnt quite work, then he can get me along to psychiatrist. That is where the system breaks down, with 40 week waittimes to get one (public, I think you can find a private one to speed it up).

As a kid I was quite good at finding light poles with my forehead, and despite sometimes spending some hours in the hospital waiting for care, I got good care eventually. I have no idea how long you have to wait in other countries, but here it kinda gets sorted by how bad it is, so a kid with a broken arm would have to wait longer than a guy with a gunshot. And similarly I think a non-critical surgery can have very long wait times, but if you got cancer you will quickly get the needed medical attention.

I have no clue on how this differs in other parts of the world, but once you scanned the yellow healthcare card, nobody cares about costs. Doctors are still expected to do cheap treatments before expensive ones. So even if lets say I think I have illness A (but the cost of the test is high), they will test for B and C if they think B and C are more likely and the tests are cheaper. Then if that returns positive, they will eventually test for illness A. A cruel example I've heard is that every woman aged 16-45 with a stomach ache gets a pregnancy test as the first thing, but i dont quite know if it is true

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Peter34cph at 2024-03-15 04:52:50+00:00 ID: kuy6miv


Poor people with most tooth diseases or certain eye diseases are fucked in the Danish healthcare system.

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KindlyInvestigator42 at 2024-03-15 05:00:58+00:00 ID: kuy7h3i


How so? It is possible to insure yourself/ your Child for such stuff beforehand.

Ofc by not doing so, you are kinda fucked with some costly bills

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Tharghor at 2024-03-15 05:51:23+00:00 ID: kuyce60


Children have free dental until 18 years. If they find a problem before turning 18 it extend to cover that as well.

Sure there are private insurance as well

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Miserable-Try7753 at 2024-03-15 07:04:57+00:00 ID: kuyiqyy


It’s actually up to 21 now if you’re born after 2004

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Tharghor at 2024-03-15 08:17:57+00:00 ID: kuyols6


Oh nice to know for my children 🙂

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KindlyInvestigator42 at 2024-03-15 06:05:35+00:00 ID: kuydo9h


Exactly, just insure your kid before hand, and yourself, like everything else.

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Sheepherder196 at 2024-03-15 06:43:56+00:00 ID: kuygzs9


It just shouldn't be necessary to ensure something like that when we pay some of the highest taxes on everything

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KindlyInvestigator42 at 2024-03-15 06:47:28+00:00 ID: kuyhae0


we pay some of the highest taxes because 42% of our budget goes to welfare checks.

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Sheepherder196 at 2024-03-15 07:34:32+00:00 ID: kuyl5ka


That doesn't explain at all why we should insure ourselves to ensure treatment.... equal options and rights between rich and poor is something that always has been important in Denmark even though we're not really there. If we start the "just ensure your health" logic why not just live as in the US?

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KindlyInvestigator42 at 2024-03-15 07:40:38+00:00 ID: kuylna2


And High taxes doesn’t explain why we shouldn’t, there isn’t enough money to everything, when 42% is used for welfare checks.

Because USA and Denmark is not comparable, stop bringing USA up in every debate just because we talk about insurance.

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Acceptable_Sport3847 at 2024-03-15 05:17:15+00:00 ID: kuy94u4


It’s their own fault for not being a member of Sygesikring Danmark 🤷

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LocalLifeguard at 2024-03-15 08:22:05+00:00 ID: kuyoxi6


Yeah fuck those poor people man..

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Acceptable_Sport3847 at 2024-03-15 10:40:55+00:00 ID: kuz0id5


Wait? Since when do you have to be poor to be member of Sygesikring Denmark?

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LocalLifeguard at 2024-03-15 10:45:32+00:00 ID: kuz0xww


It's kind of cute that you don't understand what it means to be poor. Small things do not cost anything in themselves, but try to guess what happens when you have to pay several small amounts

Edit* accidentally wrote in Danish.

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Horror-Show-3774 at 2024-03-15 13:14:45+00:00 ID: kuzishm


Not to mention that you're not even guaranteed to be able to join.

Pre-existing conditions might exclude you from membership.

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AwayUnderstanding236 at 2024-03-15 08:58:58+00:00 ID: kuyrtfo


Dental care is free for kids up to 18 (and beyond if you are in treatment) which takes care of most problems. Just get it done in your teens :-) For eye diseases I don't know, "god bedring"

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truespartan3 at 2024-03-15 04:31:35+00:00 ID: kuy49wv


The healthcare system is good. The queues are long as the state underestimated how much healthcare costs.

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cooolcooolio at 2024-03-15 05:07:23+00:00 ID: kuy850l


Our healthcare system is pretty decent for the most part viewed from the eyes of the patient with easy and free access to your local gatekeeper aka a physician. There are generally problems with getting treatment within a guaranteed time though and the problem is growing. The reason behind this is a constant "optimization" of treatments and the workforce at hospitals cutting time and resources that has hit a level where it's.. let's just call it an unpleasant and stressful work environment with too few employees dealing with more and more assignments every year. The government is trying to correct the situation but it's very challenging as the situation is discussed in the media making it harder to recruit people and on top of that the salary and work hours sucks.I also quit my career as a radiographer as the situation was unbearable and patient security being compromised daily and most of my colleagues being stressed out. So the Danish healthcare system is a great idea and used to work a lot better when it wasn't milked for resources by "optimization"

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Imagra78 at 2024-03-15 04:54:03+00:00 ID: kuy6r7p


You can get an appointment with your GP usually within a week. ER is free, sometimes you’ll have to wait a few hours, depending on the state of the other patients, ie a sprained ankle will wait, if a car crash comes to the ER.

But as another pointed out, I also believe that corruption and drugs/gangs are more important to take care of.

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FuryQuaker at 2024-03-15 06:19:54+00:00 ID: kuyexld


I'd say that it's good but it's severely under staffed in most areas. That means that you can experience delays to get treatment if it's not a life threatening situation.

Overall I think our health care system is very good but with some limitations.

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EnvironmentalSeat937 at 2024-03-15 05:49:45+00:00 ID: kuyc8mx


I’m actually quite surprised that other people in this chat think that we’ve a good healthcare system in Denmark. It must be people who haven’t been in the system.

The healthcare system is not good at all, long waiting lists, people not being diagnosed in time, doctors doing all to save money on the cost of the patient’s. And the healthcare system is not free - we’re paying one of the world’s highest taxes.

Also the healthcare system is really outdated. You’ll have to go a general practitioner first and after that, if you’re lucky, because the general practitioner have to clear about 88-92% of all cases by them self, you can get a reference for a medical specialist.

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Giraf123 at 2024-03-15 08:16:00+00:00 ID: kuyog5w


Your view is a point of view from a Dane which haven't interacted much with the healthcare in other countries. Seen from that perspective our healthcare is aweful. And sure, it has a lot of problems. But if you compare it to the rest of the world, our healthcare is actually pretty good. I think it is important we keep the point of view you have, as it helps improve our healthcare even more.

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Horror-Show-3774 at 2024-03-15 07:07:24+00:00 ID: kuyiygn


There's definitely things that could be improved. The grievances you're listing is true for most (if not all) healthcare systems in the world.

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Plus-Yellow-12 at 2024-03-15 06:17:33+00:00 ID: kuyeq6o


Totally agree my grandmother died of a Appendicitis, because the hospital didnt take it seriously, and she had to wait a day before an operation. My mother got an operation and got MRSA in her wound.

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Meera_dk at 2024-03-15 07:37:49+00:00 ID: kuylf5z


I’m sorry about your grandmother 🥺 May she rest in peace. 

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beltoft at 2024-03-15 06:39:41+00:00 ID: kuygmyw


Compared with the rest of the world im confident that our helthcare is in the top 10. Just the fact that you can see a doctor without having to pay directly make our system superior to most non European countries. 

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MadsenFraMadsenOgCo at 2024-03-15 08:02:16+00:00 ID: kuyndad


Yeah, or maybe it's just people who has had a good experience in the system? You get to see the health care system from a number of perspectives when you're expecting a baby, and our experiences have been nothing but positive.

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Meera_dk at 2024-03-15 07:37:16+00:00 ID: kuyldly


With such a bad health care system, how does the Danish people get so old, compared to rest of the world?  Shouldn’t all the Danes die young? 

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SoffehMeh at 2024-03-15 08:14:34+00:00 ID: kuyoc3z


That has been my experience as well.

For simple issues things seem to be working well, but if it becomes a more complex issue suddenly there’s nothing that can be done, and you really have to advocate for yourself if you want any progress whatsoever in my experience.

Been sick all my twenties and I’m fast approaching 30 with very little progress in terms of my health, but there’s not much that I can do myself unfortunately. I’ve met a lot of people who simply don’t believe you can’t just go to the doctor and have them “fix” you right up, and without knowing how universal that is, I do feel like that’s a lot of Danes in a nutshell.

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LocalLifeguard at 2024-03-15 08:19:07+00:00 ID: kuyop2r


I have had alot to do with the healthcare system the last ten years and have nothing but positive things to say. Its mostly been having to take care of elderly family members, where i was the one speaking to doctors nurses etc. But besides one or two instances, i have nothing but praise for everyone i had contact with. And this is from literally hundreds of interactions with medical staff.

That doesn't mean they weren't extremely understaffed etc, but the people themselves and the services i was provided as main caretaker was very very good.

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AwayUnderstanding236 at 2024-03-15 09:00:07+00:00 ID: kuyrwm5


I don't share your experience. I have been in and out of public and private Danish hospitals for 57 years (the last 40 with a chronic illness) and have received good care in almost all situations. When my son 20 years ago was complaining of tummy ache (where I insisted on hard abdomen and suspected appendicitis) on a sunday morning in the Easter holiday I got a phone diagnosis, ER appointment, child and gastrointestinal specialists, and operating table time slot within 4 hours. He survived appendicitis and was back on his feet in 7 days.

I have received medication for 12 years which costs the state 100.000 DKR a year for free. Plus hospital checks every 6 weeks. This would have ruined or killed me in other countries. Instead I am a productive member of society able to work full time (and thereby pay taxes to keep the system going).

I can send my GP a message and he will reply on a friday evening or sunday afternoon (but that's just him being work-obsessed) for free and in most cases get a subscription for something or get referred to a specialist. Very smooth process :-)

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Humptie-Dumptie at 2024-03-15 12:55:14+00:00 ID: kuzg1t3


r/AwayUnderstanding236 I completely 100% agree with you. The healthcare system works. Ofc. there are heavy challenges with understaffing and financial problems, however the system works. The staff do amazing work even though they are stressed and basically running all day, but they always have a smile on their face towards their patients and they are really professional and good at their work. I have the utmost respect for them. ❤️🌹

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DJpesto at 2024-03-15 09:08:28+00:00 ID: kuyt0b1


Your view is what we call anecdotal. You are basing your point of view of the healtcare system on your own experience.

It is not simple to figure out how good a health care system works for a country as a whole. There are organizations that do this - they use many different parameters to give their best guess, as to how well the health care system is working.

The Danish system is generally ranked quite high - despite the problems it has (i.e. waiting lists).

Most people in Denmark have access to free health care, most people who are sick, are treated, and treated correctly, most people are satisfied with the healthcare system, etc. etc. etc. etc.

When you look at health care across other countries - yes some are better - like Switzerland France, etc. but the Danish one is still quite good. And compared to countries where the health care system doesn't actually work well, we are very well off.

You hear a lot of Americans complain about the Danish system - that is because they are rich, they are from families who can afford health care in the US. If they were not part of the top of society, the story would be different - they could be in life long debt to a hospital if they break a leg or have a child. Or just not be able to get treated, because they don't have insurance.

The same applies in many other countries - treatment is only available for the rich, and that treatment may be very good, but for all the other people they are on their own if they get sick.

So when we say "the Danish health care system is not good at all", that is incorrect, and in my opinion an opinion that shows that we don't know how it is in the rest of the world.

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Meera_dk at 2024-03-15 07:47:36+00:00 ID: kuym7ca


The Danish health care system is decent overall.

Con’s: Medication is only free when you spend more than a certain amount of money.  Dental care is not free for those above 18-21. 

Our psychiatric services are quite lacking with enormous waiting time to get diagnosed and treated. We don’t have enough psychiatrists and the budget is also an issue. 

Our cancer treatment is not that advanced and we don’t really do experimental cancer treatments compared to other countries. 

Pro’s: Everything else is free. Nobody has to sell their house or land to get essential treatment. 

People complaining about waiting hours at the ER are most likely also those who want tax reductions.  If you didn’t die waiting at the ER, then you weren’t sick enough to be seen immediately.  If you expect to be seen immediately by a doctor at a hospital with a minor medical issue, then Denmark is not the place to live. 

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sp668 at 2024-03-15 07:33:13+00:00 ID: kuyl1ol


It's overall allright but not perfect, pretty good compared to all but a few other systems.

It suffers from lack of resources and money, some types of medicine are getting incredibly expensive and since we expect top level care (and don't want increases to already high taxes) this really strains the budgets. There's also simply not enough people.

Some areas have been suffering for years (notably psychiatry) but acute stuff and increasingly cancer treatment is very good.

I've never had anything but good experiences for myself and my immediate family. There are stories of bad performance though and even scandals but I've never had much cause for complaint.

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OnionFar4404 at 2024-03-15 07:49:39+00:00 ID: kuymd65


The Danish healthcare system is often a subject of debate and discussion, particularly due to the challenges it faces in maintaining a balance between quality, accessibility, and fairness. As someone currently undergoing a diagnostic process, these dilemmas are acutely felt. My own experience and reflection regarding the use of private health insurance have prompted deep consideration of how the public healthcare system operates and what it means for both the individual and society as a whole.

In Denmark, a country renowned for its welfare state and high tax burden, citizens are expected to have access to high-quality healthcare services without direct costs at the point of delivery. This principle of universality and equality is a cornerstone of the Danish welfare model. However, many Danes experience long waiting times and perceive a strained healthcare system, leading to an increasing demand for private health insurance. While these insurances can guarantee quicker treatment and access to specialists, they also raise questions of inequality and the long-term sustainability of the system.

My dilemma regarding the use of private health insurance is deeply rooted in a concern for the future of the public healthcare system. Each time a citizen opts for a private solution, it may feel like an undermining of the public system, further exacerbating existing inequalities. This cycle of demand for private services, combined with underfunding of the public system, can lead to a vicious spiral where only those with the right insurance or financial means can secure necessary and timely treatment.

Politicians and decision-makers face a complex task in reforming the healthcare system to meet both the need for high quality and accessibility while maintaining principles of universality and equality. This requires fundamental restructuring, not just patching up the current problems, but addressing the underlying causes of the system's challenges, such as financing, resource allocation, and capacity building.

While such restructuring may be painful and likely lead to increased waiting times in a transition period, it is crucial to ensure a healthcare system that is fair and sustainable in the long term. It is not only about ensuring access to healthcare services but also about preserving the solidarity on which Danish society is built. Achieving this requires broad political will to implement the necessary changes that can ensure a healthcare system that serves all citizens equally and effectively.

My personal journey through the healthcare system and reflections on the use of private insurance have strengthened my conviction that as a society, we must find a way forward that both ensures the individual's right to health and maintains a strong and fair public healthcare system. It is a delicate balancing act but a necessary one to preserve the values cherished by Danish society.

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No-Afternoon8114 at 2024-03-15 09:27:11+00:00 ID: kuyu3eg


We are very blessed with good and free(paid by our income tax) health care for all. Everyone should have access to health care. Poor or rich.

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AwayUnderstanding236 at 2024-03-15 08:56:56+00:00 ID: kuyrnk0


Well, most here would say that it is overworked and underpaid - but it all depends on your relative perception of "good". We have a free system with a fair minimum standard which has raised the medium life expectancy to the 80's. And when people get older they get progressively more ill so...

When I travel and come back I always remind myself that I am happy to pay the (high) taxes as we have almost no beggars or homeless, clean streets, decent healthcare, good public schools, good public transport and low crime and mental illness rates. Overall I love our Danish system :-)

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SignificanceNo3580 at 2024-03-15 08:30:26+00:00 ID: kuypkna


I think it would be hard to replicate the Danish model in countries with lower trust, higher crime rates and maybe even in larger countries in general. The taxes are sky high. Which works in Denmark, I pay my taxes with pride and contentment, but I don’t think it would work in a lot of other countries. But I guess trust needs to start somewhere.

Statistically speaking our health care system performs very well and on a personal level I’ve only had good experiences with the Danish hospitals, midwives and doctors. It’s free, aside from dental, medication and mental healthcare which is only partially covered. One of the biggest challenges it faces is the general workers shortage Denmark is experiencing right now, which has caused longer wait lists. When I went in for surgery this summer, the doctor told me that they only had half as many anaesthetic (the English title escapes me?) nurses as usual, since they couldn’t find any one to fill in the open positions. It didn’t delay my stay, and I think they were very good at working around it, but it got me thinking. In a lot of cases you will have a guaranteed maximum waiting time, if they know they can’t treat you within that window, they will refer you to a private hospital if possible. We did that with my daughter, and it was very smooth since everything is digitalised, the staff at the public hospital just checked to see if we were okay with them booking an appointment at the private hospital and that was it.

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Sensivera at 2024-03-15 10:35:10+00:00 ID: kuyzyud


Please remember everything here is here say. So use other sources of information also.

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