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Pre-calculus / AP Calculus in Danish Schools (leddit.danmark.party)
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I'm a 17-year-old senior in high school right now. I'm currently taking pre-calculus and plan on studying calculus in college so that I can eventually teach it.

Does anyone know if either pre-calculus or AP calculus are taught in Danish high schools (gymnasium)? If either subject is taught in high school, I'd like to teach there.

My other option is to teach calculus on the college level, which I don't mind, but I would have to further my education in order to become a professor.

This also might be a stupid question or sound like I'm disconnected, but are any school courses besides English taught in English? I'm learning Danish, but I know I'd have to learn a lot of technical language, especially considering that it's math.

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The original was posted on /r/denmark by /u/IndicationSpecial344 at 2024-03-10 15:47:24+00:00.

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[–] [email protected] 1 points 7 months ago (1 children)

StalinsLeftTesticle_ at 2024-03-10 16:10:16+00:00 ID: ku8guv4

The various sub-disciplines of math aren't separated into different subjects in Danish high schools, you just learn math at a certain level depending on which line you're taking (Math A is the highest level usually required for more math-heavy university programmes such as engineering or economics, Math B is the intermediate level, and Math C is the lowest level).

To be a high school math teacher in Denmark, you need a bachelor's degree as well as a master's degree in Mathematics plus a "tilvalg" (think of it like a minor in the US system) in another subject taught in high school, plus an extra supplementary one-year course called a pædagogikum, which teaches you how to be a teacher.

All of these of course are contingent on you successfully meeting the requirements to get into such an education (including the requirement to speak and write Danish on a sufficient level), and once you're done, you'd also need to be able to get a work visa. To my knowledge, high school teachers are on the "positive list", which means that the process is somewhat simplified, but it's still not particularly easy. If you get a foreign degree, but have no experience teaching in a high school, the chances for you to be accepted are essentially slim to none.

There are no subjects taught in English in Danish public schools.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 7 months ago (2 children)

IndicationSpecial344 (OP) at 2024-03-10 16:17:38+00:00 ID: ku8i3bq

Thanks for the info on Maths A, B, and C.

Regarding the tilvalg, would it make sense to minor in another mathematical subject (e.g. algebra I, II), or would it not? Would a science look good?

Is there a U.S. equivalent to the pædagogikum program that I could take, or does it have to be the Danish on?

In regard to being accepted at a school, should I try to get experience by assisting teachers first, or does getting a higher degree (PhD, for example) increase the likelihood of acceptance?

I think my last question for now is, do you know of any place that teaches Danish to foreigners? I'm currently learning on Duolingo, and my boyfriend and a bunch of our friends are Danish, so it's a big help, but I feel like I personally need an actual program to learn in.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Lanternestjerne at 2024-03-10 17:11:16+00:00 ID: ku8r9xi

Regarding the pædagogikum.. The number of positions as high school teacher is determined by The Ministry of Higher Education and Science. The different high schools post vacant positions with the subject match they need. So if you get an strange combo of major/minor you might no get a position.

The pædagogikum is a must have, and it takes place on a high school in Denmark.

Regarding the Danish language qualifications needed you have to have reading, writing and language ability at D level.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 7 months ago (1 children)

IndicationSpecial344 (OP) at 2024-03-10 17:14:46+00:00 ID: ku8rvjr

What is D level?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Lanternestjerne at 2024-03-10 17:49:16+00:00 ID: ku8xwpp

Level after primary school 9th grade) In order to learn that you have to take the levels before that and pass exams.

This has to be taken in Denmark and you have to pay for the courses.

You can do that before, during or after your master's

[–] [email protected] 1 points 7 months ago (2 children)

IndicationSpecial344 (OP) at 2024-03-10 17:50:08+00:00 ID: ku8y2fi

Sorry, are you saying it's a proficiency level of a 9th grader?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 7 months ago

TheNordicMage at 2024-03-10 20:44:03+00:00 ID: ku9roud

It's important to note that 9th grade in Denmark is synonymous with post primary and secondary education, or in other words the level of education achieved before starting high school.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Lanternestjerne at 2024-03-10 17:54:53+00:00 ID: ku8yx03

Yes. You have to be able to communicate and teach in Danish.

Also you need to apply for you BA in two subjects on same terms as other students

[–] [email protected] 1 points 7 months ago

IndicationSpecial344 (OP) at 2024-03-10 17:56:34+00:00 ID: ku8z7sr

Okay, thanks!

[–] [email protected] 1 points 7 months ago (1 children)

StalinsLeftTesticle_ at 2024-03-10 16:28:49+00:00 ID: ku8jy4b

Regarding the tilvalg, would it make sense to minor in another mathematical subject (e.g. algebra I, II), or would it not? Would a science look good?

I'm not super familiar with the American university system, but I'm pretty sure you can't just get a degree in Algebra or Calculus, you'd need to get a degree in Mathematics with a minor in something else, like theoretical/applied physics, biology, something like that.

Is there a U.S. equivalent to the pædagogikum program that I could take, or does it have to be the Danish on?

No idea. My best guess is that there isn't one. I don't know how the US educates their high school teachers, it's worth looking into that.

In regard to being accepted at a school, should I try to get experience by assisting teachers first, or does getting a higher degree (PhD, for example) increase the likelihood of acceptance?

If you're going the foreign education route, you'd need to have actual work experience being a high school teacher in two related subjects. Your degree still matters, but it's the work experience that's the most important. I wouldn't count on being able to come to Denmark before you have at least 5 years experience being a high school teacher in the US.

I think my last question for now is, do you know of any place that teaches Danish to foreigners?

Without moving here, it would be difficult, as Danish isn't a particularly useful language to learn unless you're living in Denmark. I know, with immigration, it's very much a chicken or egg problem. Duolingo does not actually teach you a language beyond a very rudimentary level. The only way to actually learn a language is to immerse yourself in it and use it. Join Danish subreddits like this one, join Danish discord groups for stuff you're interested in, make an attempt at using the language with your boyfriend and friends.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 7 months ago (1 children)

IndicationSpecial344 (OP) at 2024-03-10 16:34:45+00:00 ID: ku8kyah

In university here, I think you can major in something like calculus.

I can try asking some of my teachers about pedagogy courses or something of the like.

I intend on moving to Denmark right after college because my boyfriend and I have been wanting to move in together quickly. Do you know of any other possible routes for gaining experience in Denmark or does it not seem feasible?

I also intend on living in Denmark for the rest of my life, so I'm trying to immerse myself actively. Duolingo has helped with the grammar portion, so I'm more heavily focused on vocabulary, lol. Someone else mentioned language schools as an option.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 7 months ago (1 children)

StalinsLeftTesticle_ at 2024-03-10 16:45:30+00:00 ID: ku8msw8

I intend on moving to Denmark right after college because my boyfriend and I have been wanting to move in together quickly.

This is not possible for you as an American citizen without an EU citizenship.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 7 months ago (3 children)

IndicationSpecial344 (OP) at 2024-03-10 17:13:36+00:00 ID: ku8ro89

Am I not able to apply for a work and residence permit?

"You are a non EU/EEA/Swiss citizen, you can apply for a residence and work permit under Start-up Denmark scheme."

https://lifeindenmark.borger.dk/theme/before-moving?cookieSupport=true#:~:text=You%20are%20a%20non%20EU,run%20an%20innovative%20growth%20company.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 7 months ago (1 children)

AntsAndThoreau at 2024-03-10 17:34:51+00:00 ID: ku8vcet

The Startup Denmark scheme is specifically for people wanting to start a business within Denmark.

You should take a look at this page. You have two paths in particular, which may help you get a residence permit. One is applying for a student residence permit to pursue a Danish education (for instance, MSc in Math) followed by a job seeking residence permit after finishing your education. The other is getting a job offer from a Danish company.

After having resided in Denmark legally for 8 uninterrupted years, you can apply for permanent residence.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 7 months ago

IndicationSpecial344 (OP) at 2024-03-10 17:36:00+00:00 ID: ku8vjsz

Ohh, okay!

Thank you for the resource. :)

[–] [email protected] 1 points 7 months ago (1 children)

LtSaLT at 2024-03-10 17:44:12+00:00 ID: ku8wyyc

The visa you are quoting there is the "Start-up scheme" which is for people who want to start a business in Denmark, so not really relevant for someone wanting to become a teacher.

The regular work visa requires you to have received a job offer in Denmark before applying/moving. Essentially, an employer needs to sponsor your visa and tell the government, "we will hire this person", that's the basis on which a work visa is granted.

It's obviously going to be pretty difficult to get a school to hire you and sponsor your visa, if you have never lived in Denmark, no proof of Danish skills and only degrees from foreign countries.

I honestly think the easiest path would be a student visa and getting your university degree in Denmark, you would then have a Danish degree and the student visa would allow you to search for jobs while actually living in the country.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 7 months ago

IndicationSpecial344 (OP) at 2024-03-10 17:46:50+00:00 ID: ku8xgtn

Ya, I realized from someone else's comment that the startup thing isn't applicable to me.

I'm not really sure how I could manage to get a sponsorship from a school, especially considering the lack of having lived in Denmark and lack of Danish proficiency.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 7 months ago (1 children)

StalinsLeftTesticle_ at 2024-03-10 17:30:32+00:00 ID: ku8ul4h

You have two options:

  1. You can apply for a work and residence permit after you have gotten a job. Generally, the job either has to pay extremely well (well above average), or it has to be skilled work in high demand (the aforementioned "positive list"). Since high school teachers fall under the second category, that route is a legitimate option, but you would not be able to be hired with a foreign degree unless you both speak Danish at an advanced or near-native level, and you have relevant work experience as a high school teacher.
  2. You can apply to start a business in Denmark. For this, you'd need to show that you are a successful entrepreneur looking to start an innovative company in Denmark. You'd also need to come up with funding for this, I can't recall the exact number, but it's in the hundreds of thousands of dollars as far as I remember. However, this would not let you teach in high school: this visa is contingent on you operating that business in Denmark, and you'd need to apply for a different work visa if you wanted to work as a teacher, and as such the conditions in option 1 apply.

My recommendation to you is that if you want to come to Denmark as soon as possible, don't even bother with trying to become a teacher here. It will take at least another 10 years (5 years university education, 5 years work as a high school teacher in the US). Your chances would be infinitely better if you went for some sort of technical degree in high demand and applied at one of the larger Danish companies like Novo Nordisk, Lego, Vestas, etc.

On a personal note, with all of this in mind, I would strongly, and I mean really strongly recommend against planning your future academic and work life around the goal of moving in with your Danish boyfriend as soon as possible. Earlier in my life, when I was just a bit older than you, I made this exact same mistake for a girl, and untangling that mess was a huge clusterfuck I wouldn't wish on my worst enemy. And I was planning on moving from one EU country to another, so I wouldn't have had to deal with immigration regulations, either!

[–] [email protected] 0 points 7 months ago (1 children)

IndicationSpecial344 (OP) at 2024-03-10 17:35:11+00:00 ID: ku8vej6

Thank you for the advice.

I'm curious, though, as to how any Danish residents who are looking to become teachers, become teachers. Do they work in primary schools first for the experience or something similar?

I could also ask my boyfriend's stepmother about some things because she's a teacher.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 7 months ago (1 children)

StalinsLeftTesticle_ at 2024-03-10 17:38:56+00:00 ID: ku8w25t

They take a bachelor's and master's degree in a high school subject as well as a tilvalg, they do a year of pædagogikum, then they apply to work at a high school. Fairly straightforward, really.

Alternatively, people who get a bachelor's degree to br elementary school teachers can usually take an alternate, shorter path to become high school teachers after they've had sufficient work experience and getting a relevant master's degree.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 7 months ago

IndicationSpecial344 (OP) at 2024-03-10 17:40:56+00:00 ID: ku8weg6

Do Danish citizens have an easier time with becoming high school / gymnasium teachers even without the work experience?

Also, are high school and gymnasium interchangeable terms, or am I confusing myself? 😅