this post was submitted on 10 Feb 2024
34 points (97.2% liked)

Climate - truthful information about climate, related activism and politics.

5189 readers
330 users here now

Discussion of climate, how it is changing, activism around that, the politics, and the energy systems change we need in order to stabilize things.

As a starting point, the burning of fossil fuels, and to a lesser extent deforestation and release of methane are responsible for the warming in recent decades: Graph of temperature as observed with significant warming, and simulated without added greenhouse gases and other anthropogentic changes, which shows no significant warming

How much each change to the atmosphere has warmed the world: IPCC AR6 Figure 2 - Thee bar charts: first chart: how much each gas has warmed the world.  About 1C of total warming.  Second chart:  about 1.5C of total warming from well-mixed greenhouse gases, offset by 0.4C of cooling from aerosols and negligible influence from changes to solar output, volcanoes, and internal variability.  Third chart: about 1.25C of warming from CO2, 0.5C from methane, and a bunch more in small quantities from other gases.  About 0.5C of cooling with large error bars from SO2.

Recommended actions to cut greenhouse gas emissions in the near future:

Anti-science, inactivism, and unsupported conspiracy theories are not ok here.

founded 1 year ago
MODERATORS
 

Archived copies of the article: archive.today web.archive.org ghostarchive.org

top 11 comments
sorted by: hot top controversial new old
[–] [email protected] 6 points 8 months ago

Wealth owners: billionaires should be degraded to millionaires, starting from the industrial revolution. and voila!

[–] [email protected] 6 points 8 months ago (1 children)

in the form of flat fees on their monthly electric bills

Base fees are regressive and financially disincentivize progress.

If you want people to use less electricity, remove base fees and increase usage fees.

Another way of looking at it: imagine you had to pay a big fee to enter the grocery store, but once inside, everything was similarly priced. A potato would cost almost the same as a ribeye steak. You'd see lots of people walking out with steak, and as a result we'd have a major increase in agriculutural climate emissions.

Electricity is the same way. When everyone's paying base fees to artificially lower usage rates, poor people are subsidizing the extravagant usage of the rich.

Remove regressive base fees and charge people for the damage they do.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 8 months ago (1 children)

The proposal had the fees based on income

[–] [email protected] 3 points 8 months ago (1 children)

The article says:

The Golden State’s poorest residents — those already enrolled in discounted rate programs — would pay small fixed charges.

and

Millionaires and billionaires would be slapped with the same fixed charges as middle-class families struggling to get by

Maybe I'm misreading, or maybe the article is poorly written, but it sounds like everyone would be paying fixed fees.

Setting a fee based on income sounds super error prone and vulnerable to gaming in the same way that the rich can avoid taxation. Imagine a CEO making $1 in salary with the rest in stocks, how would that be charged? Or imagine $1 in salary, but the rest in free housing, food, transportation, etc. What's the overhead for properly monitoring all this? It must be huge to do a credible job. We're already not doing it and repeating the same obvious error can only be assumed to be intentional.

Just remove base fees and charge people for their usage. Poor people already use much less electricity than rich people so they would save money under my proposal, while the people who use more would have to pay more.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 8 months ago (1 children)

I agree that better enforcement of income tax payment by the wealthy is important.

Denying that it can be done is just defeatism

[–] [email protected] 2 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Not saying it can't be done, just that it isn't.

We should work toward proven solutions instead.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 8 months ago (1 children)

The Inflation Reduction Act actually included a lot of money to have the IRS catch wealthy tax cheats. It seems to be working.

Since state taxation is based on federal taxation, this should improve state revenue as well.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 8 months ago

I certainly support that.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 8 months ago

"Lawyers are responsible"

They're responsible for the lax climate regulations. They are also responsible for putting more strict regulations in place.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 8 months ago (1 children)

The biggest polluters should, like oil and gas industries. They've profited off the destruction, they should pay their fair share in cleaning it up.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 8 months ago

You have to legislate that they can't pass the expense on to consumers, or they'll just pass the expense on to consumers. And that's where it hits a wall, because all of the conservatives go fucking ballistic when you start talking about the government mandating how a business should run, despite the fact that they're perfectly okay with all of the anti-competitive laws that the big business got passed to keep them in absolute control over everything.