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What are the ideological differences between the centre-right (Venstre, Conservatives, Liberal Alliance, Moderates) political parties? Is there a difference between the kinds of people they each attract? I guess Venstre voters tend be more rural, while Conservatives tend to be more urban, for example, right?

Is it possible that they ever merge into one centre-right party or are there too much differences between these parties? Which parties of these 4 is the least and most pro-EU?

(I know Moderates are not officially part of the right-wing bloc, but they seem to lean to the right ideologically, that's why I included them).


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[–] [email protected] 1 points 8 months ago

Appelons at 2024-02-03 14:21:26+00:00 ID: koqm7ne


Conservatives are the classical party for small business owners and people where “family values” tend to be important. Unlike Venstre and Liberal Alliance the conservatives base a lot of their policies on the philosophy of Edmund Burke(they even say so on their website). But also the Conservative Party tends to be the party for policemen and people serving in the national defense.

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Strict_Somewhere_148 at 2024-02-03 13:35:16+00:00 ID: koqg25e


Old people in rural areas, who hate everything modern and immigrant.

Farming lobby.

Upper middle class who think they are supporting their needs but are really supporting the other 2.

And there’s LA and the conservatives.

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manfredmannclan at 2024-02-03 15:42:28+00:00 ID: korqgjt


Venstre: socially liberal economics, conservative socially.

Liberal alliance: like venstre but slightly less social and slightly less conservative

Konservative: liberal economics, socially conservative

Moderates: politics doesnt matter, getting rich does. They are basically just the corruption party at this point.

Socialdemokratiet: socially liberal economics and socially conservative with a retro socialist theme sort of. Also with a flavour of “will say anything and promise anything to gain power”.

They are mostly the same but have slight differences.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 8 months ago (1 children)

LuckyAstronomer4982 at 2024-02-03 13:16:35+00:00 ID: koqduy9


to quote a well-known Dane: these are the small margins

[–] [email protected] 1 points 8 months ago (1 children)

norsemaniacr at 2024-02-03 13:46:06+00:00 ID: koqhdhz


Who??

The only one I think of with (almost) that sentence is the Sepp Piontek...

[–] [email protected] 1 points 8 months ago (1 children)

LuckyAstronomer4982 at 2024-02-03 13:51:57+00:00 ID: koqi3fq


You are right

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iAmHidingHere at 2024-02-03 14:46:10+00:00 ID: koqp894


Det er en tysker Kvik.

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Ok_Conversation_7994 at 2024-02-03 16:47:16+00:00 ID: kor7tm1


Hold kæft i tager gode vitser og knepper dem, til de får det samme retard efterkom som jer.

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MomentIndividual9620 at 2024-02-03 13:22:04+00:00 ID: koqeho6


Moderaterne, Venstre and Danmarks Demokraterne is basically the same party but because of drama between its members they split. They have a few differences but I couldn’t tell you without researching further

They are centre regarding symbolic policies but also centre on distribution policies They brand them selves as liberal and capitalistic but they are more like socialdemokratiet if you look into it

Liberal Alliance is capitalistic and liberal

Conservative is capitalistic and… conservative

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Oasx at 2024-02-03 13:27:51+00:00 ID: koqf61x


Danmarks Demokraterne

I would say they have two distinctions, Inger Støjberg is the only reason the party exists, she is your standard anti-immigrant/anti-muslim politician, though not quite as bad as some of the far-right parties, and she campaigns on a weird nostalgia for a Jutland that existed a hundred years ago, and is completely out of touch with how Jutland is today, but it's a big hit with the anti-copenhagen crowd.

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inabahare at 2024-02-03 16:40:41+00:00 ID: kor6r5u


Liberal Alliance would be more libertarian tho

[–] [email protected] 1 points 8 months ago (1 children)

item73 at 2024-02-03 14:00:44+00:00 ID: koqj6tf


They are almost the same, in many countries they would be the same, like e.g. the republican party in the US or the conservative party in the UK - they have fractions ranging from far right all the way to the middle.

Some of the smaller details are:

Venstre - see themselves as a government party, it's an old party and classicaly founded in the rural farming areas. Willing to meet in the middle and negotiate almost anything. Not a protest party. Very pro EU.

Conservatives, also a government ready party, but not so much lately, another old party, classicaly founded in the richer areas north of Copenhagen, kind of a god, king and nation thing going on there. Not a protest party but trying to have some kind of egde I guess. Very pro EU.

Moderates, don't quite know how to describe them, it's mostly one guy Lars Løkke Rasmussen who had a fallout with his old party Venstre where he was kicked out, and through political magic and mastermind somehow ended up right back on top with his new party. They say they want to be a middle party and was founded on keeping the extremes (left and right) out of power, wants to be the king makers. Not a protest party. Very pro EU.

Liberal Alliance, more classic liberals (in the European sense) with focus on liberal virtues, lower tax, more individual freedom and responsibility etc. Still a young party, attracts young people and older people with a bit of money, many conservatives has gone here. Kind of a protest party but trying very hard not to be, wants to be government ready and probably will be. Pro EU but some skeptical thoughts.

Danmarks demokraterne, another Venstre spin-off, mostly one woman Inger Støjberg, basically Venstre but with harder immigration laws. Very much a protest party, not government ready. EU skeptical but not straight up exit.

I see no chance that they will merge as such, there is too much bad blood between Venstre and the spin-offs but some chanche they won't all survive like we just saw with Nye Borgerlige.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 8 months ago (1 children)

rasnorn at 2024-02-03 17:02:20+00:00 ID: kora9cd


Notable about Liberal Alliance is that they recently accepted the former leader of Nye Borgerlige as a member. Nye Borgerlige is probably the closest Denmark has had to a serious "racist party".

Liberal Alliance seems to be a mix of many things, some classic liberals sure, but also it's fair share of exiled Nye Borgerlige and conspiracy theorists.

Their two main people (Alex Vanopslagh and Ole Birk Olesen) also recently made comments where one defended a businessman whose company is flooding a village with waste and one used the results of Muslim school children in the recent school election to demonstrate how the far-left is buying off the immigrants with handouts.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 8 months ago

item73 at 2024-02-03 21:26:35+00:00 ID: kosgoy2


That's politics and opinions, and that's fine - LA is not everyone's cup of tea, and they don't need to be. I wanted to make a relative unbiased description of the parties.

Personally I'm not a fan of Pernille Vermund, but she seems to be willing to leave the right wing immigration policies behind to fit into the more liberal ways of LA.

Defending the businessman as you say, was the only logic and reasonable voice in politics on this topic, this businessman was just a passive owner, he did not run the company, he was not the CEO, not in the board, he simply bought a stake in the company that has been operating lawfully with all certifications in place, and it's a basic principle that as a passive owner you can maximum loose what you put in. The fact that our primeminister and many other politicians participated in a witchhunt because he is rich, It's just an embarrassment. Watch the latest episode of "tæt på sandheden" for a funny but still true view on it.

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Wise_Scarcity4028 at 2024-02-03 14:08:34+00:00 ID: koqkobl


Venstre and Konservativt Folkeparti were established in respectively 1910 and 1915, but their roots go back to the 1870 and 1848. There’s no chance in hell that they are going to merge.

Venstre is as you say based in the rural areas and has its roots in farmer’s movements. They stress liberalism, as in the rights and freedom of the individual. They want lower taxes and freer markets. They don’t want a lot of immigration and want immigrants to assimilate.

Konservativt Folkeparti share a lot of the above, but they are conservative and don’t want to change things. They believe we do things the way we do them, because it works, and we risk throwing something good away, if we change it. They stress nationality, monarchy, the church, the importance of community, the military, traditions.

Liberal Alliance are as close as we get to libertarians I guess.

Moderaterne split off from Venstre, claiming to be more to the middle and less scared of immigrants.

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norsemaniacr at 2024-02-03 14:12:25+00:00 ID: koqkurh


They are a bit more complex than what I highlight here, but these things are their most core ideoligies i think:

Venstre is so synonymous with farmers that historically when farming shifted from small individual peasents/working class farms, to beeing large actual companies, Venstre shifted from being a left-party to a right-party (thought they kept their name; Venstre = left).

They have a lot of generic centre-right policies but they will go a long way and bend those for the sake of farmers rights.

Conservatives are ideologically the voice of the middle-class citizens, in an old-fashioned way. But they are quite bland/boring in many peoples eyes, so even though the middle-class living in middle-sized cities in one-family brick-houses with private-sektor middle-income jobs (Villa, Volvo, Vovse) are an abnormally large part of the voters, many of exactly those today vote more on single-issues that are important to them, rather than general ideology, so they have for years strugled to diffirentiate them from more populistic centre-right parties. Like if you think the biggest issue is immigrants, and you don't really care if its party 1, 2 or 3 that's in charge because it feels close to the same in the every-day life, you vote for those screaming "stop immigration".

Liberal Alliance is exactly trying to be a modern version of the old-school conservatives. One of their core values are "as little interference from the state as possible" but unlike the Conservatives they have much more bombastic approach to single-issues AND they are catering to the young centre-right voters. (They are the most active on SoMe of any party in Denmark and their core voters are aged 18-24 iirc).

Moderaterne is in some ways, like Danmarksdemokraterne, a person-party. It's Lars Løkkes new projekt. Their most pronounced ideology is in their name: To be more moderate. To take left and right ideologies into account when making decisions and trying to make the larger long-term policies in Denmark be "acceptable" for both traditionally left and right parties. The stated goal with this is to make the policies longer lasting without having them changed every election when a new government is elected, and more pronounced to reduce the influence of the furthest right and the furthes left as Lars Løkke feels they are to "extreme" to be solid long-term policies.

My personal view is that every one of them are willing to "sell out" on anything else than the above in order to get ministerial positions, and some (many?) would also sell out their core for that imo.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 8 months ago

Snifhvide at 2024-02-03 14:13:48+00:00 ID: koqlucs


Venstre used to be the farmers' right wing party, but these days not quite as much, at least not according to some of the farmers. Lars Løkke was the party leader a couple of years ago but was forced out and formed his own party, which is perhaps slightly more left-leaning than Venstre. While the majority of Venstre wanted to pursue a right-leaning government, Løkke aimed for a coalition government with the Social Democrats, which he did with his new party.

To be honest, I have felt for years that the differences between S and V are minimal. The main difference lies in the rhetoric. S and V seem to delight in criticizing each other for doing X, and then in the next term, do the exact same thing themselves. Both parties have focused on maintaining the status quo. This might change now, because of the lack of money due to the changes in the demographics.

The Conservatives have never recovered from their heyday in the 90s. They spent the 00s fighting among themselves, and for the last 10 years or so, they have tried to reinvent themselves as a conservative "light", eco-friendly party. Some wanted a more traditional or even national conservative line, and they left for the Danish Democrats.

The Liberal Alliance is a liberal right-wing party. They advocate for the usual: Less government influence, individual responsibilities and a smaller state.

The Danish Democrats are the mini version of Trump's Republicans - not in a direct sense, perhaps, but their voters are people from the rural areas, who felt overlooked. They felt that all attention and money went to the big cities, that the Folketing was full of academics who didn't know how "real people" lived, that the elderly were let down, and that there were far too many immigrants. The leader founded the party after she was expelled from Venstre for breaking a law by separating asylum-seeking child brides from their spouses.

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TLDR:

V: Right wing appeasing the big majority of voters in the center.

C: Right wing, tries to be eco friendly, would like lower taxes, better military etc.

M: Lars Løkke's way to stay in politics (his house was mortgaged to the hilt), right wing with a left tint.

LA: lower taxes, individual responsibility, less state etc.

DD: More money to rural areas and old people, less immigrants and harder punishment for criminal immigrants.

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Grumphh1 at 2024-02-03 14:12:25+00:00 ID: koqxkn9


Der er ingen reelle politiske differencer mellem partierne fra DF til S - de er alle tilhængere af at implementere den officielle EU-liberalisme.

Forskellene er udelukkende på "værdipolitik" - altså de populistiske dagsordener partierne tror kan lokke flest vælgere til.

På fløjene har vi så hhv. ultrahøjrepopulisterne der adskiller sig ved at være imod EU, og på den anden side har vi de "grønne" partier der godt nok omfavner EU (for EU er jo helt vildt grønt), men adskiller sig fra resten ved at være mindre indvandringskritiske.

Ingen danske partier fører rød politik overhovedet.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 8 months ago (1 children)

SpringrollJack at 2024-02-03 16:27:26+00:00 ID: kor4mwp


Det er jo relativt… LA er stadig mere rødt end demokraterne i USA

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Grumphh1 at 2024-02-03 16:57:15+00:00 ID: kor9fpb


LSD?

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SpringrollJack at 2024-02-03 17:03:16+00:00 ID: koraerm


?

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Grumphh1 at 2024-02-03 17:47:37+00:00 ID: korhlrv


Det der med at se underlige farver over det hele...

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JustBecauseOfThat at 2024-02-03 14:24:12+00:00 ID: kor3mxv


Is it possible that they ever merge into one centre-right party or are there too much differences between these parties?

Just to comment specifically on this. That will never happen, but not because of major differences between them. It is because of the Danish election system.

In the US and UK the election system favours large parties. Often each district/county/state gets to send one representative to the parliament/senate/congress. So the largest party in each district gets that mandate and all the small parties get 0 mandates. If a right-wing party in a district gets 40 % and two left-wing parties each get 30 %, the right-wing party will win the mandate despite more people voting left-wing! In such an election system it makes sense for small parties to merge with somewhat similar parties, so they can together compete for the mandate.

The Danish system is not like that. If four small parties each get 5 % of the vote, they together get the same amount of mandates as one big party getting 20 %. So there is no benefit in merging. In fact, there is a benefit in not merging. Imagine that a right-wing voter really dislikes the leader of the right-wing party. If there was only one right-wing party this voter would either not vote or vote on the left-wing party. But if there are other right-wing parties he will just vote on one of those. So it is good for the right-wing to have several alternatives, so that they can together attract more voters.

Only if a party falls under 2 % will it not get into parliament. It is only when a party gets close to that limit that they start considering merging.

Right now we do have extraordinary many of these centre-right parties. Thats because Venstre recently broke into three parties. It is not unlikely that one or two of these parties will not survive in the long run. But they will never merge into one big party altogether. This is despite the US-republicans and the UK-conservaties being much more divided internally than these Danish parties are from each other.

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Alternative_Pear_538 at 2024-02-03 15:42:28+00:00 ID: kos4g67


Your list is kinda messed up. Liberal Alliance is not center right. They are as far right as you can go without getting into the area where the racist parties reside. Moderates are center in name only. Every economic policy suggestion from them, is as far right as the Liberal Alliance.

The center-right parties are Venstre, Conservatives, and since the last election the Social Democrats.

The social liberal party ("Radikale") springs from the right wing and has dabbled in center-right economic policies, but are more of a classic left wing party these days.

As for the three actual center-right parties (And the Moderates), there's very little difference. Nothing that can be properly put into text anyway, since they will all say and do whatever it takes to get votes. Even if it means completely abandoning your voter base or say one thing and do the opposite. For example the social democrats claim to support old people, kids, and workers, meanwhile taking money away from all of them to fund war and tax deductions for the rich.

Both Venstre and Conservatives will also support openly racist policies if it gets them votes (like it did back in the 2010s) and then never mention it again when it no longer buys them votes.