I dunno but I don't think it's a recent thing. I was blown away Nottingham's incredible late bus services as far back as 2001-5. The bus services were more regular, cheaper and late-running than Birminghams. Seems to have been the case for a LONG time.
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Do you think it's possible for a local council to build something like that again under this government?
I don't think anything is possible under the current government except misery and pain. I dunno much about modern-day Notts but if you have a mayor like Manchester then they often have a lot of power to affect transport policy in the city.
For example Manchester is 'nationalising' local bus services into the Bee Network and creating a unified metro/bus/bike hire system. It's gonna be great and will make London jealous!
Maybe speak to your local MP about getting a similar regional/city mayor with similar powers (transport & policing) to the Manchester one?
"Nationalising" services to a council (idk what that would be called, councilising? lmao?) is so based.
"Public ownership" is the generic term, I think, for a service that's owned by the pubic (via some level of government). Also: agreed.
Nottingham has had good municipal transport for a very long time. When deregulation came along in 1986 the council chose to keep the service as a wholly owned company where other cities sold their transport departments off. It expanded by buying bus companies in the surrounding county and in 2001 Transdev, who own Trent Barton, the largest private operator in the county, bought a 5% stake in NCT. Transdev are pretty good at branding and brought that to the business. Like Newcastle, Sheffield and Manchester the city also decided to invest in converting the local train network into a light rail/tram system. A large part of it is having a progressive outlook, I think. It would be difficult to recover that now for many cities, where infrastructure has been built over, and there just isn't the money and won't be while central government doesn't have a national view of public transport.
I wonder what made only Nottingham have the long term vision to do this unlike other local governments. Do you know what the residents' reaction to this news was when they did it?
I don't really know, I'm sure it's in the local paper archives. I lived in South Yorkshire at the time and the joint councils also decided to do a similar thing, and while fares increased (from 10p for adults and 2p for children for most journeys) it still seemed the right thing to do. In comparison Leeds sold off the transport department on day one and the consequences of that are still being seen. Arguably Nottingham allowing a bit of transport business investment may have fended off Stagecoach and First from forming monopolies like they have in many places.
That's a good idea, I might investigate those archives if they're available.
It's so strange that no one in other local governments could ever envision monopolies forming over something like a bus service (where bus routes are limited anyway).
There were large bus businesses before Stagecoach and First (BET and Tilling for example) but I think deregulation was ideological first and at best the emergence of local and regional monopolies was the invisible hand of the markets.
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