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Which warrior would win in a fight? (lemmy.zip)
submitted 7 months ago by [email protected] to c/[email protected]
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[–] [email protected] 27 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (4 children)

Do y'all remember that show "Deadliest Warrior" where they would use "science" (read: an excel spreadsheet) to determine which of two kinds of historical soldier was best? It was fake AF but it was super fun to watch. I loved the little fights they put at the end of each episode.

Also OP, to answer your question, it depends on the circumstances. 1v1 it's probably the samurai since they lived into the early industrial age and therefore had access to way better armour and weapons (and also nutrition) than the bronze age Spartans. But if it's a 30v30 formation battle, the Spartans probably take it because spear and shield tactics are OP as heck.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Shit, you've just unlocked the deepest memories of those guys cutting down ballistic gel mannequins and shit.

Weird. I'd forgotten that existed.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 7 months ago

Yeah I loved how they got a trauma surgeon to come look at the ballistics gel dummy and be like "yeah he fuckin dead" after they like sliced a gnarly chunk out of the face or something haha.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 7 months ago

Deadliest Warrior fuckin ruled. It was the source of a lot of memes between me and a friend.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 7 months ago

Yeah Spartans were all about the phalanx, whereas samurai would often train and fight 1v1 even on the battlefield in my understanding. I would agree with your assessment.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 7 months ago (1 children)

There was an Xbox arcade game of it and it was super unbalanced. The spartan and the native American both had a weapon you could throw that would be a one shot kill but was super rng. We used to just spam it at the start of the fight and restart it no one died.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 7 months ago

Sounds like Oddjob in Goldeneye

[–] [email protected] 13 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Who would win in a fight? A half-naked militiaman with a bronze sword or a soldier in full armor with a steel katana?

Don't get me wrong, Greek hoplites were great in formation for their time period, but the individual spartan was basically just a decently fit dude

[–] [email protected] 4 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (2 children)

soldier in full armor with a steel katana?

If they also have their yumi (longbow) & any amount of distance, that hoplite or spartan is a dead man.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (1 children)

Samurai also had straight up guns. For centuries. They bought them off of Portuguese traders and developed a local industry

[–] [email protected] 2 points 7 months ago

So, don't bring a bronze sword to an armored, steel sword/ longbow/ gun fight?

[–] [email protected] 2 points 7 months ago

Technically we are talking about Spartans not hoplites. The Spartans had bows, javelins, and slings too. But ranged weapons aren't great against steel armour. And their bronze armour would have caved like butter if hit by basically any of the steel weapons and ammunition the samurai used.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 7 months ago

Samurai came later and were better armored / also capable of dueling whereas hoplites were squad fighters and had, at best, iron armaments.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Are we talking 1 on 1? I'm no expert, but didn't Spartans usually fight in groups with interlinked shields? So perhaps that type of shield wouldn't help much in this situation. I guess whoever could get a jab in between the armour of their opponent faster. My money would be on the samurai, but I think it would be a close fight.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Also, Spartans fought on foot and Samurai were mounted warriors. Spears aren't enough for a cavalry charge, you need a line of pikes.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 7 months ago

Yeah I remember reading that samurai usually fought on horseback with bows. But in close combat I'm sure they could put up a good fight with their swords.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Neither, a ninja is actually hiding in the Spartan's shadow waiting to kill them both but then all three get killed by a pirate who swung down on a rope with a sword in one hand and a knife in his teeth

[–] [email protected] 2 points 7 months ago

The ultimate showdown of ultimate destiny

[–] [email protected] 3 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

Spartans were way better trained as being royalty who should have been exclusively occupied with warfare in addition to their own propaganda that they were invaders and that the helots would betray them first time they could.

Practicing on live helots, being barred from politics until you were old enough and the puritanism all played into making them the most formidable.

I think that despite spartan losses, they almost always had the edge in the training and morale for the average citizen.

Sparta feels like if the Navy seals lead a state. The Shogunate feels more like a long lived junta with feudalism.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

One is probably better at individual combat whereas the other at formation combat so...