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[–] [email protected] 180 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (11 children)

These the guys that notoriously violated emissions standards and created software to hide the fact from testers? Some pretty spectacular claims you got there. Would be a shame if someone... doubted your reputation.

[–] [email protected] 28 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

And let's not forget that they had to create Electrify America which they treat like a red headed step child. They are really invested in EVs. /s

[–] [email protected] 24 points 7 months ago (3 children)

Every car maker did, VW took the blame but the whole industry was lying

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[–] [email protected] 125 points 7 months ago (1 children)

VW has a rich legacy of lying their asses off to every single human that will listen. VW is not a credible source of information about VW.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 7 months ago

They're probably using the guy who set the Tesla truck's range

[–] [email protected] 117 points 7 months ago (13 children)

Given that this is VW, I'll wait until someone else verifies this.

[–] [email protected] 49 points 7 months ago (1 children)

"No, no, we only cheated that one time, it's in the past. Let it go. We've had our one lie, now we're perfectly honest!"

[–] [email protected] 6 points 7 months ago

Definitely read that in a German accent

[–] [email protected] 23 points 7 months ago (3 children)

I hear what you're saying, but they invested tens of billions in this technology, and they were apparently the first to solve the dendrite issue that prevented SS batteries from being produced to scale. I'm confident they've figured it out. We'll have to wait and see.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 7 months ago

Imagine being on a project too big to fail. Someone might have felt inclined to tinker with the data. Happens in the science community, could happen again here.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 7 months ago

Plus VW produced SS equipment at scale in the past, but they don't like to talk about it.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 7 months ago

So, they are heavily invested in this being a success, both financially and for the prestige of being first? To the point of likely costing someone a lot of money and maybe their job if they hadnt produced results?

The kind of situation where they would be tempted to tweak results a bit, perhaps?

[–] [email protected] 6 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Given that we’re talking about batteries… Remember what phone and laptop manufacturers say about their batteries?

On top of that, these are solid state batteries, not your usual Li-ion batteries with a liquid electrolyte. This is the first time I’ve heard of a large well known company announce they’re using solid state batteries.

That technology has been under development for decades, and it has been applied in some very special devices before, but maybe now it’s finally the time to start large scale production.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Toyota has been telling us solid state batteries are coming soon since … 2012ish 😀

We’re still waiting

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[–] [email protected] 93 points 7 months ago (2 children)

Ok, VW tested it. Now can we have someone else test it so we can get honest results?

[–] Reverendender 22 points 7 months ago

I’m sure they self-investigated and found nothing wrong.

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[–] [email protected] 49 points 7 months ago

If you believe that, I have a Volkswagen clean diesel I’ll sell you

[–] [email protected] 27 points 7 months ago (7 children)

I hope they try turning the wheels a bit while they do their testing, I'd hate to have another diesel emissions scandal involving explosive batteries and their efficacy.

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[–] [email protected] 25 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (4 children)

Even though this VW is fully electric, the transmission will still find a way to blow up.

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[–] PinkPanther 11 points 7 months ago (1 children)

These are lies. The report stated that it held 100% capacity over 100.000.000 charges, but VW knows no-one would believe them, so they adjusted their numbers to look more realistic. /s

[–] [email protected] 12 points 7 months ago

/s not necessary. They’ve messed with numbers before and just got a slap on the wrist. Why wouldn’t they lie again?

[–] [email protected] 9 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (1 children)

Still no news on QuantumScape's factory actually going into large scale production.. so still... lab results..

[–] [email protected] 3 points 7 months ago

Yeah, I'm always remiss to get excited about battery tech that isn't entering mass production. Until then, it's just something that might be cool in 20 years, but probably not.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 7 months ago (2 children)

Really need to hand it off to other makers. VW is just scandal. It lies on its emissions reports. Has a history of abusing workers. All round a shell of it's former self

[–] [email protected] 12 points 7 months ago (4 children)

Sadly, VW has never strayed far from their roots.

They've always been just a little scummy on the business practices side of things. More than a little scummy during WW2...

They do sometimes have good engineering. Which means fuck all in the face of management who want to cut corners and cheat to make more money.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 7 months ago (3 children)

the 1.4 introduced somewherein the 2000s was their last "good" engine. newer models just suffer from downsizing, constant engine problems after around 80K km.

buy a used honda or a toyota. might even be fuel efficient if you buy a prius for cheap and replace the battery.

or, you know... buy a small car. the 1st gen aygo easily does 40-50mpg and cost 10K BRAND NEW. but then toyota made it a crossover which uses more fuel and is almost 20K.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 7 months ago (4 children)

If you're speaking on the 1.4l turbo, that was introduced in 2012. Have one in my car and it's a great little engine. Lots of extra room in the engine bay left over though.

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 7 months ago (6 children)

Volkswagen was literally founded by the Nazi party and Adolf Hitler himself was heavily involved in designing their first car lol.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 7 months ago

Half the companies operating in Germany today were started during Hitler's reign, borne out of his policies.

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[–] [email protected] 6 points 7 months ago (1 children)

great now mass manufacture it

[–] [email protected] 3 points 7 months ago

They will. They just finished building the battery manufacturing facility near St. Thomas, ON.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 7 months ago

No that's some solid reporting

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