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Pika Labs new generative AI video tool unveiled — and it looks like a big deal::The new Pika 1.0 tool comes after a $55 million funding round for the generative AI company and is a big step up in AI video production.

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[–] [email protected] 87 points 7 months ago (27 children)

There's a lot of "AI is theft" comments in this thread, and I'd just like to take a moment to bring up the Luddite movement at the beginning of the Industrial Revolution: the point isn't that 'machines are theft', or 'machines are just a fad', or even 'machines are bad' - the point was that machines were the new and highly efficient way capital owners were undermining the security and material conditions of the working class.

Let's not confuse problems that are created by capitalistic systems for problems created by new technologies - and maybe we can learn something about radical political action from the Luddites.

[–] [email protected] 30 points 7 months ago

I recommend reading this article by Kit Walsh, a senior staff attorney at the EFF if you haven't already. The EFF is a digital rights group who most recently won a historic case: border guards now need a warrant to search your phone.

AI training isn’t only for mega-corporations. We can already train open source models, and Mozilla and LAION have already commited to training AI anyone can use. We shouldn't put up barriers that only benefit the ultra-wealthy and hand corporations a monopoly of a public technology by making it prohibitively expensive to for regular people to keep up. Mega corporations already own datasets, and have the money to buy more. And that's before they make users sign predatory ToS allowing them exclusive access to user data, effectively selling our own data back to us. Regular people, who could have had access to a competitive, corporate-independent tool for creativity, education, entertainment, and social mobility, would instead be left worse off and with less than where they started.

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[–] [email protected] 26 points 7 months ago (1 children)

I've been saying for a year now, generative AI is going to foster a resurgence in stage theater. When movies are all 100% AI with no humans in them, we'll want to see humans act. That and "organic" movie labels.

[–] mindbleach 3 points 7 months ago

Cartoons and CGI didn't get people back into theater. I don't think this will, either.

Especially because it's still dead easy to make shows or movies without this brand-fucking-new technology. If anything I'd expect a resurgence in mid-budget films with a small cast... which streaming has already done.

[–] [email protected] 23 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (36 children)

Cool, another step in the ruining art with AI saga

These are all short clips because they look like ass if you get enough time to actually look at them. But even still, can people just stop with this shit?

Let people do the one truely human thing ffs.

Edit: Let me be clear, AI has good uses. My only argument here is that generating art is not one, especially when the training data is stolen and used for profit.

[–] ElBarto 24 points 7 months ago (7 children)

No one is stopping people from making art, lazy people will use this to do things they want, but artists will make art because that's what they do.

[–] [email protected] 41 points 7 months ago (2 children)

I'm more concerned about the fact that shitty companies will use this sort of thing to put graphic designers out of a job.

This isn't good progress. Even soulless corporate bullshit puts food on the table for someone, soon it'll just make another company a bit richer.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 7 months ago (4 children)

Look I'm not supporting mega rich assholes extracting even more from working people, but would you use the same argument for textile weavers and the Jacquard loom? Sure a lot of people lost their jobs at the time, but most, if not all, respecialized and we got computers in the end so would you say it wasn't good progress? 🤷

[–] [email protected] 10 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (1 children)

Except that this is entirely unecessary, and doesn't create a product we need, and it's certainly not one I want.

I want to support people, I want people to do beautiful incredible things. I don't want a higher production rate of souless art statistically generated by taking the work of thousands of people without their consent, for no good reason.

Replace CEOs with AI, that would be good progress.

I also mentioned in another comment that this technology has some very very good uses, I am convinced creating art is an evil use. I'm a big fan of projects like Talon Voice, you can donate voice samples to help improve their language model to help people who struggle to use a computer with their hands. It's amazing stuff and I love it.

[–] [email protected] 19 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (5 children)

See, that's the crux of the argument I feel. You can't have one without the other, you can't have voice generation for the mute without that technology also displacing voice actors in the process.

That's why I think the Luddite approach doesn't work, we can't forcefully break the machines that are capable of so much good because they're also capable of so much bad.

Instead we should focus on helping those that are most negatively impacted by their existence, while supporting everyone that is already being positively affected by them. (like the UBI mentioned in my other comment)

PS. Totes down for replacing CEOs with AI and distributing their salary among the workers

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[–] [email protected] 9 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

Textile weavers still exist, they just get paid even less and live in third world countries. “AI” is the same - a lot of the training is done by underpaid folks living in Kenya and Tanzania. They have to label the gore and CP so that the “AI” won’t use it. Post traumatic stress disorder is pretty common…

[–] [email protected] 5 points 7 months ago

Like... That was bad too. What we need to do is ditch capitalism before we automate everything.

It doesn't function if nobody has jobs.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 7 months ago

Advancements like the loom usually just affect one industry (yes, there are ripples in the whole economy) and it's not like we got that, the printing press, the internal combustion engine, the computer, and the telephone all at once. AI, if properly trained, can do nearly any task so it's not just artists that are in danger of becoming obsolete.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 7 months ago

They've already been doing that

[–] [email protected] 13 points 7 months ago (15 children)

Capitalism optimizes for lazy over good. Who's going to be able to pay rent as an artist in your dystopia

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 7 months ago (4 children)

All it means is that at art as a career is dead.

Guess we want everyone working in retail or something

[–] [email protected] 3 points 7 months ago (3 children)

That's already the system outside of creating what rich people want. An entire team of artists creating boardroom directed art is much less art to me than a single creative using AI to bring their personal vision to life.

Hopefully individual artists can do more with these tools, and we can all hope for a world where artists can be supported to have the ability and freedom to create apart from the whims of the wealthy.

Starving artist is a term for a reason. Technology has never been the real problem.

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[–] [email protected] 21 points 7 months ago (1 children)

This is not the way to look at this. Stop thinking this stuff will replace human art. Until we can simulate a human in the machine (not there yet), art will always be by humans because it is a human endeavor recognized and appreciated only by humans.

These things are tools for a human to use. And like any tool that is used in the hands of the casual or the lazy, it will become very banal indeed once the shininess wears off. With your same outlook you could tell Adobe to stop improving the digital brushes in Photoshop, because art is only for humans.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 7 months ago

I think a good analogy is clipart, or those horrible corporate memphis/algeria graphics. They look awful, but they are just good enough at illustrating an idea that many companies will use them rather than hiring an artist. The thing is, corporations almost never want art. They want illustrations.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (2 children)

AI doesn't generate art. Art is about using media in order to convey a perspective on the world and to illicit emotions from the audience. What AI generates is simply the media itself. It isn't capable of having the point of view or life experiences needed to create actual art.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 7 months ago

People forget art isn't just a product it's an activity people do.

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[–] [email protected] 12 points 7 months ago

We were only meant to be wage slaves /s

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[–] hubobes 12 points 7 months ago (1 children)

This is not the death of artists but of studios. When creating movies will become cheap, movie studios will be the ones becoming unnecessary. But artists are the creatives who feed these tools and who now can create content on their own.

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[–] mindbleach 7 points 7 months ago

This is cool and I refuse to pretend it's not.

'Oh but they used commercial movies to train it,' like I give two shits about copyright. 'Well it's gonna put cartoonists out of work,' like they weren't already getting the shaft. 'The quality of typical shows will get formulaic and lazy,' like streaming and reality television are highbrow. 'Nobody will bother making real art,' like any new medium has ever killed an old medium.

Well-meaning luddites and greedy tech bros are both missing the big picture.

This is a refrigerator.

Hollywood sells ice.

These suits think they're gonna sell a lot more ice, now that anyone can make it locally, without a whole harvesting-shipping-distribution ordeal. But if anyone can make it locally... nobody needs them.

If this technology is as simple and shallow as your worst fears, why would you buy someone else's push-button output? Why bother going online to sort through endless samey crap when you can generate exactly the crap you want in the privacy of your own home?

If this technology isn't that simple - if it still takes creativity and effort to make something worth watching - artists won't need these shitty companies to employ them. They become their own studio.

Yeah, right now it takes a mainframe to churn this out. But the technology is barely a year old. And there's already a whole free-for-all community trading filters and models. Even if big-iron approaches remain the best option, local approaches will remain possible, and they'll only get better and better - especially if that's where the bulk of fascinated ultranerds spend their time.

And none of it will ever prevent you from pointing a camera at real people.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 7 months ago (3 children)

Seeing people go gaga over all this AI trash kind of makes me convinced that most people just… do not see? Not that something is physically wrong with their vision but it’s like most of it doesn’t even register, even more so than what I thought was the normal baseline of inattention to details.

Are people just constantly distracted and not really engaging with media? Only watching or looking at things on small screens? The result of decades of cuts and devaluation of art education? Literally just being happy with whatever garbage is in front of them? It’s a mystery to me.

[–] [email protected] 27 points 7 months ago (5 children)

The ooohs is mostly about how fucking far it has come so quickly. You must see how this technology is a pretty fucking big deal

[–] [email protected] 10 points 7 months ago (5 children)

They don’t see and don’t really want to see. Typical technophobe responses rooted in fear and insecurities.

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[–] [email protected] 13 points 7 months ago (1 children)

What a condescending view point while bringing nothing to the table but insults.

I see a technology that will break the barriers necessary to get into animation and movie production, finally paving way for indie companies in the domain. It will elevate art in all domains, bringing us more interesting products and features.

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 7 months ago

This is from over a month ago.

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