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[–] [email protected] 66 points 1 year ago (2 children)

The Tohoku University study was published in the journal Nutrients. A wasabi company, Kinjirushi Co., provided funding, though the researchers say the company had no role in the study itself.

Yeah, that study is worthless.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 year ago

My first thought when I read the post title was "cool study bro, now let's see someone else replicate it a couple times over."

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Not necessarily disagreeing with you but almost all studies are funded by private companies.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Usually by someone with a financial interest in seeing that the study yelds a result that is beneficial for them.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago
[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago

And that's why you should wait for independent confirmation before trusting studies with conflict of interest.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

Surely this depends on the field? In life sciences it is quite uncommon. Food science, sure...

[–] [email protected] 29 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)

Just know you'll never get real wasabi, except in the highest end places in Japan and probably still special order. The stuff we get is fake.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Folks on the Oregon coast are growing wasabi successfully now, it's much more available in the US than it used to be.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 year ago (1 children)

This is an atrocity. Oregon is the state for growing Oregano, no other herbs.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Oregano

Ricky

Rigatoni

Hmmm...

[–] [email protected] 15 points 1 year ago (1 children)

vote for me in 2024 and I'll make the trains run on thyme

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

The sage is here, and he smells wonderful.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I'm growing wasabi in pots right now. Turns out it's not as difficult to grow as everyone always said. It is a bit finicky but not that hard.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

If you eat the leaves, could you tell me how good they are? I'm also considering it, but it seems that's a 2 year endeavor to finally get some rhizomes..

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

Not really. Most sushi places have them (not kaitenzushi), some bbq place do too and you can buy it at the supermarket:
https://kitanosansai.ocnk.net/phone/product/13

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

yea this stuff really needs better regulations so 0.1% real wasabi cant be advertised like one

[–] [email protected] 27 points 1 year ago (2 children)

The main active component of Japanese wasabi is a biochemical called 6-MSITC, a known antioxidant and anti-inflammatory known to exist in only trace amounts elsewhere throughout the plant kingdom, Nouchi said.

I've heard that the vast majority of wasabi is fake, up to like 99% of it.

A huge tell is actual wasabi loses it's taste in as little as 15 minutes, but dyed horse radish (what we really get) keepss it's taste. So if it's still spicy by the time you're done eating, it's fake.

Real wasabi is crazy expensive and habitually in short supply, so it's not like people can start using this. Lots are probably going to spend money on horseradish pills tho

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago

Store bought wasabi pastes might have real wasabi in them, but only couple percentages.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago

Yes, real wasabi is markedly different from what is usually served. Super delicious

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Here's the study, for anyone who wants to read it. It's surprisingly short and open access.
A few things:
The participants took Wasabi supplements once a day for 12 weeks, not just normal Wasabi. In each pill, there was 0.8 mg of the active compound (6-MSITC). Quick googling gave me the following for the level of that compound in actual Wasabi:

Another study determined ~550-556 μg/g of 6-MSITC in wet weight of wasabi root [10] . The present study observed a concentration of 120-150 μg/g wet weight of 6-MSITC in stem and rhizome blend.

In other words, you could actually also get the same amount of 6-MSITC that was in the supplements by eating a few grams of regular wasabi each day, assuming that the processed stuff still has similar levels. The abstract provides a reasonable summary of the study, and of the fact that it agrees largely with some previous science on the subject (although there's not a lot, two studies in small journals):

Cognitive functions decline with age. Declined cognitive functions negatively affect daily behaviors. Previous studies showed the positive effect of spices and herbs on cognition. In this study, we investigated the positive impact of wasabi, which is a traditional Japanese spice, on cognitive functions. The main bioactive compound of wasabi is 6-MSITC (6 methylsulfinyl hexyl isothiocyanate), which has anti-oxidant and anti-inflammatory functions. Anti-oxidants and anti-inflammatories have an important role in cognitive health. Therefore, 6-MSITC is expected to have positive effects on cognitive function. Previous studies showed the beneficial effects on cognitive functions in middle-aged adults. However, it is unclear that 6-MSITC has a positive effect on cognitive functions in healthy older adults aged 60 years and over. Here, we investigated whether 12 weeks’ 6-MSITC intervention enhances cognitive performance in older adults using a double-blinded randomized controlled trial (RCT). Methods: Seventy-two older adults were randomly assigned to 6-MSITC or placebo groups. Participants were asked to take a supplement (6-MSITC or a placebo) for 12 weeks. We checked a wide range of cognitive performances (e.g., executive function, episodic memory, processing speed, working memory, and attention) at the pre- and post-intervention periods. Results: The 6-MSITC group showed a significant improvement in working and episodic memory performances compared to the placebo group. However, we did not find any significant improvements in other cognitive domains. Discussion: This study firstly demonstrates scientific evidence that 6-MSITC may enhance working memory and episodic memory in older adults. We discuss the potential mechanism for improving cognitive functions after 6-MSITC intake.

They tested the study participants once before and once after the 12 weeks of daily wasabi supplements. The participants were not tested for any long term cognitive effects.

As someone else has pointed out here in the comments, the study does list a Wasabi company as one of the sources of funding:

Funding
This study was founded[sic] by KINJIRUSHI Co., Ltd. and the Japan Society for the Promotion of Science (19H01760, 22H01088).
Conflicts of Interest
This study was supported by KINJIRUSHI Co., Ltd. The funding body had no role in the design of the study, collection, analyses, or interpretation of the data, writing of the manuscript, or the decision to publish the results.

Also, I don't want to poison the well too much, but I feel like I should mention that the editorial board of the journal resigned in 2018 because the publishers "pressured them to accept manuscripts of mediocre quality and importance". Doesn't mean it's all bad, but it's a very early study and more research should be done.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

I wonder if it will work with the fake Wasabi that is all over outside of Japan, that's horseradish based. The chemical of the "spicy" part is the same, I believe. But getting real Wasabi anywhere in the states is expensive and has a shorter shelf life.

*Horseradish doesn't have any. So you'll have a harder time getting the 6-MSITC, but im sure they'll quickly be a supplement to buy.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago (2 children)

It used to be that real wasabi only grew in Japan, though they started growing it in England and Iceland some years ago, so availability may improve. Though with its short shelf life, the stuff you get outside of specialist grocers and high-end restaurants will be a cheaper and hardier variety of horseradish.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

It seems like it's being grown in a lot of places now. Many people in this thread have mentioned Oregon (USA), and I know it's also being grown in Tasmania (Australia).

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

There's one location on the Oregon coast that grows it in small quantities. They serve it at Zilla Sake in Portland.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago

Subjects who received the wasabi treatment saw their episodic memory scores jump an average of 18%, Nouchi said, and scored on average 14% higher than the placebo group overall.

[–] paskalivichi 6 points 1 year ago

Is this for actual wasabi or the green dyed horseradish that you get everywhere?

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago

"The main active component of Japanese wasabi is a biochemical called 6-MSITC, a known antioxidant and anti-inflammatory known to exist in only trace amounts elsewhere throughout the plant kingdom, Nouchi said. The double-blind, randomized study involved 72 healthy subjects, aged 60 to 80. Half of them took 100 milligram s of wasabi extract at bedtime, with the rest receiving a placebo."

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

Wasn't this study already dismissed?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Well, I use wasabi to clear my sinuses.

And that feeling is certainly memorable.

[–] [email protected] -5 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Yes technically it’s not real wasabi.

But root beer sold now isn’t technically real root beer.

And most American foods are varying degrees of fake anyway.

In the US, fake foods are often preferred over their authentic originals.