Isn’t it more likely that he’s also been injured.
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same could be said about almost every player in the EPL
We can get back to being entertained next season after winning the league and the UCL
Our midfield hasn't been stable since the start of the season (the partey at RB mess at the beginning lol?), mixed in with two new midfield partners, ode's injury and opposition teams generally parking the bus comically deep every game is what id attribute it to.
Even with the above points, I still think our attack has been far less fluid that it could be, the connections don't seem to be there yet.
Bit of a shit headline for this article imo, as Sam does kinda go into all the above in the article while not really going into what data shows our defensive shift is doing to affect Ode. Rice not passing to him isn't really a direct correlation to a team's defensive shift?
hate to say it but we’re less entertaining to watch than last season, Odegaard being a casualty of that shift as indicated…
hopefully we’ll find a happy middle between attempting to prevent conceding goals, and providing fun football, i don’t think we’re too far off
Tbh in the last games we have looked as exciting to watch as when I fell asleep under Emery.
Yep. As many accolades as Pep's Barca got, the prime team, it was a snoozefest 90% of the time. They won a lot but at what cost. Madrid were playing trail blazing football at the time and were the more fun team to root for.
That's my worry. I don't want us to turn into snoozefest arsenal, and the trade-off be a ton of trophies. I don't want us to turn into boring ass man city. Grab a trophy or two, but if we are always on top, it's going to get boring really quickly. A perfect medium is what Klopp does. Idk how Luverpool can stay exciting and in the running for trophies.
I'd like to get on top first before complaining about it being boring.
IMO the third factor has been largely overlooked. Rice is immense when it comes to defence, but it seems he’s yet been able to carry out progressive passes as efficiently as Partey. He tends to carry the ball on his own.
This, combined with Havertz who isn’t as good as Xhaka either when it comes to progressive passes, is probably the biggest reason why our attack hasn’t been as good this year. It has more to do with midfield balance than our frontline.
I’m definitely not saying Rice isn’t a good player - he has been excellent to the point that 105m looks like a robbery now. It’s just that the midfield balance takes time to be sorted out.
Rice has done a really good job in this aspect as well and he is really even improving. It's just that Partey is arguably the best in the world in this aspect
This, combined with Havertz who isn’t as good as Xhaka either when it comes to progressive passes, is probably the biggest reason why our attack hasn’t been as good this year. It has more to do with midfield balance than our frontline.
Progressive passes don't mean shit against a low block.
Not sure why people keep bringing this up.
Because it means they can still scapegoat Havertz and act like they didn’t want Xhaka out for 5 years
It can mean that you don't give them time to set up during transition
Moving on from Xhaka is fine, but we should probably at least replace him with whomever currently has the most progressive passes in Europe’s top 7 leagues.
His driving ability through the middle is such an amazing skill to have. Sometimes that 10 metre dribble creates more time and space when we are rushing some messy passes or struggling to actually turn defence into attack.
But as you noted, we need that passing balance to come from elsewhere.
I’ve been saying this since the beginning of the season. I’m glad people are starting to come around so I can stop reading threads about “XX is a shit player”.
I think Tifo made a good video talking about how Arsenal are progressing ball differently. The progression is certainly slower and less direct. It also seems more likely the attack stalls when the ball moves out wide. I think teams have realized they can afford to double up on Saka and Martinelli. However I think Odegaard could learn something from Havertz…
When Havertz has played next to Saka, Saka has looked more impactful. I think this is because Havertz isn’t as predictable and is more likely to shift outside rather than in like Odegaard. This gives Saka space to move inside which throws defenses off because they expect him to hold the width. Also Havertz makes more runs in behind which also creates some space for Saka to move under or inside.
Odegaard tends to float around the half space and to your point players like Partey and Xhaka were able to pick him out sooner in an attack before defenses could transition. This gave both him and Saka more time and space in the attack.
Anyway all of that to say more rotations on the wings with CM and CF will help move defenses around which should benefit the whole front line.
And to be fair it took time prior to last season as well. It’s very encouraging that there are clearly some things still being worked out in this new midfield, yet we’re still top.
There have been games this season where Odegaard has been simply superb( against PSV in CL and Bournemouth). I do think having better passers around him will help though. Both Rice and Jorginho are safe passers. Havertz is an ultra safe passer. I think he has also been struggling a bit with fitness though. I would like to see him rested tonight. He needs to get back into full fitness before we can see the best of him.
So when Ødegaard is absent and we play bad, we’re playing bad because he’s not in the squad. When he’s in the squad and we play bad it’s because of no Partey. When Partey's in the squad and he plays bad it's Partey's fault. When will people see he's been bang average this season
Doesnt matter as long as the team does well. We know how good he is and a vital part of the team so doesnt always needs flashy numbers
I've been saying this for a while. He's running too much. We need to offload a small percentage of Ode's defensive workload. Right now, he might be the hardest working 10 in the world, which is a testament to his character but a deficiency in our system.
Interesting article. One thing that was also noticeable at the start of the season was Ødegaard dropping much deeper to receive the ball as well. I haven’t seen it as much recently I think though.
Basically No Partey No Party for attackers
Rice is a far more important player to us right now. Odegaard has become a relic of our hyper attacking style of last season. He's become pretty obsolete, as Zinny, White and Tomi have become our main "playmakers" who feed Saka and Martinelli, and Odegaard just floats around without actually doing much.
And before people jump at me, Odegaard and Havertz have pretty similar stats, which is abysmal for the supposedly best player on the team. We played pretty well in our games without Odegaard, while the team would've crumbled without Rice.
I can definitely see Odegaard being phased out by the end of the campaign, as he had made no impact whatsoever this season, which is horrible for the captain.
The capitancy should go to Rice, who is the heart and soul of this team, and has already repaid his price.
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He’ll be back when Partey is back.
I think people forget the absence of Timber as well. Mad to miss a guy who has only played 45 competitive minutes for us but Arteta was looking at a system with three at the back in our opening games. He persevered after Timber was injured but I think personnel in defense is going to be a lot more versatile going forward. Also why I think Big Gabi will be out the door before long.
Hmm low block from almost every team leads to less offensive productivity. Rocket science that is.