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Mozilla Firefox is Working on a Tab Grouping Feature (news.itsfoss.com)

submitted 5 months ago by [email protected] to c/[email protected]

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[–] [email protected] 144 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (15 children)

Firefox had tab grouping first. Before Chrome. And then it broke support for it when they did the add-ons overhaul. I'm surprised bringing it back wasn't a high priority...

[–] [email protected] 10 points 5 months ago (12 children)

IIRC the old tab groups feature was eventually removed because telemetry showed that only very few people used it...

[–] burrito 54 points 5 months ago (2 children)

That's because us power users know to turn the telemetry off and also have it blocked on our network.

[–] [email protected] 21 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Right, but then you shouldn't be shocked to find out that a feature was removed because nobody seemed to be using it.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 5 months ago (1 children)

No, I expect Mozilla to know their market and use other means (like focus groups or surveys or something) to figure out which features are actually popular, instead of lazily using a bad metric.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (1 children)

Mozilla knows their market. Because of said telemetry.

How do you think that works? For any other app?

Hint:

(like focus groups or surveys or something)

Not like this. Because they have both shown to be absolutely terrible for this general market preference research.

[+] [email protected] -6 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (1 children)

Did you miss the part of the conversation where folks were pointing out that lots of users turn the telemetry off?

Your reply is as tone-deaf and non-responsive as sticking your fingers in your ears and yelling "nuh uh!" like a toddler.

If you want to be persuasive you've got to prove that the telemetry is somehow useful in spite of many users turning it off, and you've done absolutely fuck-all to argue that.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 5 months ago (2 children)

You are committing the same mistake as you accuse me of:

many users turning it off

[citation needed] [how many?]

For all you know, maybe the 15 very vocal users in here are the only ones who turn it off. Or do we know that many users do it? How many? 5%? 50%? 95%?

[–] [email protected] 4 points 5 months ago

Many programs differente between "personalized ad" telemetry and "help us improve our program" telemetry. I generally leave the second on.