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Esperanto is perhaps the most successful constructed language of the "batch" that popped up between the 1860s and the 1940s. The text mentions Volapük, but was also Universalglot, Latino sine flexione, Idiom Neutral, plus a bunch of conlangs derived from Esperanto.
It's easy to look at those projects nowadays and say "nope! [feature] is the wrong way to go!"; for Esperanto this would be probably
But Linguistics back then was barely a science, and those guys like Zamenhof were doing things by gut instinct.
And, more importantly, those conlangs were part of a historical context, where you got a bunch of factors making the intellectuals believe that one language was the solution for everything:
Once you "glue" those factors together, the idea of a language not tied to any national identity, for the sake of peace, pops up naturally.
Specifically in the case of Esperanto, there's also the fact that Zamenhof was ethnically Jewish. That would make him a direct target of nationalism, and perhaps give him the "insight" to split apart ethnic identity and language (as you have the ethnic identity being associated with Hebrew, not with Zamenhof's native Yiddish).
This is mentioned in Mein Kampf.
Ctrl+F that book for 'Esperanto'
Found it - in chapter VIII.
I think that it's a given that this is fucking stupid, preceded and succeeded by even more inane shit. So, focusing on Esperanto alone:
Even if Zamenhof wasn't Jewish, odds are that the Nazi would find a bone to pick against Esperanto. Esperanto's ideology of peaceful coexistence is in direct conflict with concepts like vital space / Lebensraum and ethnic supremacy, and nationalists in general hate when you look into the world outside your "nation".
It triggering Hitler is a good reason to learn Esperanto
Two of Zamenhoff´s children died in camps iirc
WOW. WTF.