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The war in Ukraine and our obligation to seek peace (www.meer.com)

submitted 9 months ago by [email protected] to c/[email protected]

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Putin does not want to talk or negotiate. His offer for Ukraine is surrender. Ukraine would need to give up the 4 oblasts that Russia considers part of Russia, including their 2nd and 3rd largest cities.

Judging by how civilians fared in cities like mariopol and bucha, millions will die then anyway.

Talking with Russia will not resolve anything. Letting up on Russia will only allow them to come back stronger.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 9 months ago (1 children)

His offer for Ukraine is surrender. Ukraine would need to give up the 4 oblasts that Russia considers part of Russia, including their 2nd and 3rd largest cities.

Both 2nd and 3rd largest cities of Ukraine are outside of borders of 5 contested regions.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (1 children)

5 contested regions? Luhansk, Donetsk, Zaporhizhia, Kherson, Crimea, Odessa.

And no #2 Kharkiv and #3 Odessa are both on Putin's "wishlist".

The end goal is to link up the coast to Transnistria and make what is left of Ukraine landlocked.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Luhansk, Donetsk, Zaporhizhia, Kherson, Crimea

Only abovementioned 5 regions had referendums and therefore fall into "Russia considers part of Russia" category as they are really treated as Russian regions by Russian law. Any other regions of Ukraine are not, at least currently.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

Well, if Putin says he considers Odessa part of Russia (see the tass article), we should believe him. The fact Odessa has not had a referendum and was annexed is not for lack of trying.

And the other 5 are according to Russian law, Russia. Meaning they can send conscripts there legally, as they can only be deployed within Russian borders.