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Trump ranked as worst President in the history of the United States. (midwest.social)

submitted 9 months ago by [email protected] to c/[email protected]

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Jackson was not an asshole of his time, he was drastically worse. Do not whitewash the trail of tears

[–] [email protected] 3 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (1 children)

I conditionally disagree. It’s fine to judge the past by today’s standards, that’s how we know we’ve changed and are doing better.

However you must also judge them framed in their own time. Was the dude impaling his conquered opponents on spikes normal for the time or did neighboring kingdoms go “WTF, dude?!” If normal, he was NTA then, but definitely the asshole by today’s standards.

Understanding correctly framed history is not whitewashing. Changing, minimizing for gain, or cherry-picking history to meet today's standards is.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 9 months ago (1 children)

You're acting like people in the 1830s just didn't know that ethnic cleansing and genocide of Native Americans was wrong.

They did know. And some, including SCOTUS, tried to stop Jackson. They failed. And Native Americans paid the price.

This country was built on human slavery and genocide. Do not minimize or turn away from those evils

[–] [email protected] 1 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (1 children)

This country was built on human slavery and genocide. Do not minimize or turn away from those evils

Can you stop with this shit? Nobody here is denying anything. We are discussing how we frame history from a modern perspective and whether or not the general population (not some minority) in Jackson's time viewed his actions as unacceptable. If you don't want to have that discussion, go wear your sandwich boards and earplugs elsewhere.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 9 months ago

"We" are actually discussing how this country was built on slavery and genocide. Turning away from that fact because it makes you uncomfy won't bring back those who were murdered by the United States