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So they put out an article claiming that the thermal safety was defective, and the thermal safety was defective, and you see that as some grandiose conspiracy perpetrated by Intel? And you’re still upset about it?
Even if Intel did discover and publish the defect, what exactly did they do wrong? I would reasonably expect AMD and Intel to be testing each other’s hardware constantly. Would you have preferred that Intel didn’t publish their findings?
The thermal safety was not defective, only a few years prior thermal safety wasn't even available. The article created an artificial situation that never occurs in reality, and claimed the CPU should be able to handle that.
The CPU handled a fan suddenly cutting off just fine, it handled being turned on without a cooler just fine. Only if the CPU was running full throttle, and the cooling block "fell off" suddenly and completely, the throttle wasn't fast enough.
When did you ever hear about that actually happening?
So you’re saying that the CPU burning out when the cooler is removed, is the thermal safety working as intended? Sorry, I am not familiar with the situation, but the way you initially described the issue doesn’t sound like foul play.
Edit: y’all are simping for a $300 billion dollar company rn lol
The cooler falling off is an impossible situation. It's a completely bullshit metric. Intel CPUs of the time ran hotter, used more power, and had lower IPC, hence the higher clock speeds but lower actual performance. They had to invent some bullshit to make themselves look good.
Besides, just a while before that generation thermal safety wasn't even a thing, if you remove the cooler from older Intel processors it just catches fire lol
I don’t disagree - I can’t imagine that ever happening in real life. But taking the cooler off while it’s running? I can definitely envision my idiot 13-year-old self doing that back when I was building my first PC.
Given this information, I probably still would have gone with the Athlon. Are you saying that a report about a very-difficult-to-trigger defect in the thermal safety single-handedly convinced thousands/millions of potential customers to choose the Pentium instead?
I’m guessing that’s why thermal safety was a selling point, no?
It was part a larger unethical media campaign and bribery chain by Intel. They did their damn best to hurt AMD, and they managed to pull it off, but some time later AMD brought their asses to court and sued over it, with literally billions in damages and agreements that Intel had to pay.
A ha! This part of the story hasn’t been brought up yet, and it sounds like it would completely change my opinion.
https://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE5AB2LL/
AMD has argued that Intel used illegal means to preserve its 80 percent share of the global market for central processing units, which are the brains of personal computers. Regulators in Asia and Europe have agreed, imposing fines and other remedies on Intel. The U.S. Federal Trade Commission is close to filing its own complaint, sources have said.I read that article and looked around a bit, and I can’t find anything related to AMD’s thermal safety mechanisms. What am I missing?
It's a broad series of court proceedings and shit and it covers a broad range of anti-trust, this article is more of a summary. You can try finding the actual court documents if you're that interested
It’s starting to sound like you have never seen any evidence that reporting on a rare AMD thermal safety defect is an intricate Intel psyop, or whatever the claim is.
My first comment in this thread simply asked for an explanation as to how a reported (and again, unimportant) defect in AMD chips is somehow Intel’s fault. I guess it was silly of me to expect a straight answer from AMDIsOurLord.
At the same time as Tom's Hardware made a very wrong and bogus claim, Intel was sued for bribery and unfair practices for multiple offenses and in multiple regions. I don't think something that has been proven in court is a grand conspiracy, especially considering that particular outlet has had some really shining moments of journalism lmao
But I can't prove this specific incident without a complete court record that I don't have
Wait, so the claim about the thermal safety defect was incorrect? That changes everything, and it’s the other half of what I’ve been trying to figure out the whole time. I’ve been struggling to find any information on the claim one way or the other.
Not incorrect, just very technically irrelevant and misleading. The article in question isn't outright lying, yes if you completely rip out the cooler when the CPU is at maximum it can be damaged, but they warped that into this supposedly big scary defect, which is manipulative at best
Ah, I see where you’re coming from now. Something like that is obviously a minor defect, and it should be treated as such.