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Swedish music stars call for Israel Eurovision ban over Gaza (www.theguardian.com)

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (1 children)

In the end, Hamas did start the current war, and bears the main responsibility for the civilian deaths on both sides during it.

That's... what do you mean by "current war"? The rest of that take is arguably not as clear cut as you think it is. Hamas bears the responsibility for killing 766 civilians. Israel bears the responsibility for killing 30 000 civilians. If you start counting on October 7th, that is. The way you are wording it seems veeeery apologetic of genocide. That it's somehow not the responsibility of those perpetrating it, but instead those who (in your opinion) threw the first rock?

[–] [email protected] -2 points 9 months ago

That’s… what do you mean by “current war”?

The war of the last 4 months.

Hamas bears the responsibility for killing 766 civilians. Israel bears the responsibility for killing 30 000 civilians. If you start counting on October 7th, that is.

The count of 30k deaths in Gaza includes civilians and Hamas fighters (but Hamas doesn't publish these numbers). But you subtract alleged Israeli military/police deaths on October 7th from Hamas' death toll.

That it’s somehow not the responsibility of those perpetrating it, but instead those who (in your opinion) threw the first rock?

I said "main responsibility". Of course Israel still has responsibility for the deaths in Gaza. But people act like Hamas didn't anticipate Israels counterstrike exactly like it unfolded (not that I think that it is a good thing that Israel acted exactly in that way).