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More than 100,000 protest across Germany over far-right AfD’s mass deportation meetings (www.theguardian.com)

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[–] [email protected] 55 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (2 children)

With all the current negative articles about the political and economic situation in Germany, I think it's also important to remember to share the positive ones. Although that's not to say there aren't worrisome things going on here.

There's another article from this morning here, it might give you a more complete picture of what's happening: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/jan/21/germany-afd-party-deportation-masterplan-protests

There are more protests happening across the country today, the one in Berlin is at 4 pm at Brandenburger Tor. See you there.

[–] [email protected] 29 points 10 months ago

There are protests all over Germany, Friday, Saturday and today. Everywhere.

See you there! We'll need the spirit. (And it will be fun with bands playing)

[+] [email protected] -50 points 10 months ago (3 children)

Okay, so I finally googled it. Theyre angry because the AFD is anti-Islamic terrorism, anti-EU and pro-German?

Man, I must be missing some translation here or maybe some context, because that all sounds like reasonable things.

[–] [email protected] 21 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Recently a group of journalists revealed that the AfD had a secret meeting with far-right extremist groups and neo-nazis where they made mass deportation plans for people with a migration background (even those born here with German nationality) which includes millions of people. That's what sparked the protests.

And the AfD is far more than anti islamic terrorism, they're hardcore islamophobic, antisemitic, queerphobic and ultranationalist. There's a reason one of their most prominent figures, Björn Höcke, is legally allowed to be called a fascist and a nazi.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 10 months ago (1 children)

The part either you or the sources you read are leaving out is that they are also anti-democratic and not just anti-Islamic terrorism but also anti-Islam. Or more precisely just generally racist.
You either read sources that fell for their bullshit downplaying self-description or you are actively trying to play down their harmful views yourself.

[+] [email protected] -13 points 10 months ago (2 children)

I just skimmed wikipedia's policies section

[–] [email protected] 13 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

And skimmed right past the parts where it says they are also climate change deniers, pro-Russia, anti-Muslim, nationalistic, anti-LGBTQ, anti-feminist and this part

In early March 2021, most of Germany's major media outlets reported that the Bundesverfassungsschutz had placed the whole AfD under surveillance as a "suspected extremist group".

Maybe you should scroll a bit slower next time.

[+] [email protected] -8 points 10 months ago (2 children)

Yeah, probably. I should've put a little more time into it before commenting.

TBH, I have very little knowledge on Germany's political scene, I only ever really hear about AfD and how Germany's hate speech laws are abused. Also the Volkswagen emissions scandal. Kind of an irrelevant country at this point, they can't even meet their NATO obligations.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

So your knowledge of Germany consists in large parts of some populist talking points and yet you jumped at the first opportunity to defend an extremely right-wing party and downplay their policies. That's... a choice.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

how Germany’s hate speech laws are abused

What the hell are you talking about?

they can’t even meet their NATO obligations

2% of the gdp on defense, perhaps?

That was agreed on for this year, which has only just begun!

Let's wait another year at least, when this year's numbers are published, ok?

I have very little knowledge on Germany’s political scene

That's more than obvious.

[–] [email protected] -3 points 10 months ago (1 children)

No it was agreed on in the beginning. It's only being enforced now.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 10 months ago

Address to chancellor Scholz from NATO General Secretary Stoltenberg, June of last year: https://www.nato.int/cps/en/natohq/opinions_216079.htm

I strongly welcome Germany's historic commitment to reach 2 percent in 2024

2% as a bottom line was agreed on during a summit in Vilnius

[–] [email protected] 11 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

Maybe you belief German Jews than:

The President of the Central Council of Jews in Germany Josef Schuster expresses deep concern about the AfD’s high poll numbers.

“The right-wing extremist party currently has nationwide support that I would not have imagined even in my nightmares, and this causes me serious concern,” said Schuster in an interview with Web.de.News.

The AfD is ‘largely nationalist, racist, and ethnically exclusive,’ and it ‘clearly also embodies Nazi ideals,’ added the Central Council President. ‘If a party like the AfD were ever to be part of a federal government, one would have to seriously consider whether Jewish life is still possible in Germany.’

Schuster recalled that Charlotte Knobloch, a Holocaust survivor and President of the Munich Jewish Community, said in 2006 that the Jews in Germany had finally unpacked their bags.

‘That statement was absolutely accurate at the time,’ he said. ‘Today, one or two people are already looking in the attic where they stowed the empty suitcase, so they can have it ready to hand again.”

https://eurojewcong.org/news/communities-news/germany/central-council-of-jews-in-germany-concerned-about-the-rise-of-far-right-party-afd/

Stop making broad claims just because you read one article on Wikipedia.

Do you really belief such protests on an unprecedented scale are happening all over Germany (my country) because the AfD doesn't like terrorists?

[–] [email protected] -5 points 10 months ago (2 children)

Yeah, probably. I should’ve put a little more time into it before commenting.

TBH, I have very little knowledge on Germany’s political scene, I only ever really hear about AfD and how Germany’s hate speech laws are abused. Also the Volkswagen emissions scandal.

I'm basing my judgement off of some Americans protesting for Hamas, thinking that protestors are sometimes really stupid.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

and how Germany’s hate speech laws are abused.

And the next lie ... Really, either stop posting or check your sources. That's (far-right) bullshit.

Im basing my judgement off of some Americans protesting for Hamas

Germany is not the USA. That some Americans are protesting for Hamas has nothing to do with Germany.

Edit:

BTW, in Bremen 40,000 protested today. In Cologne another 70,000 protested. In Munich the protest had to be stopped after after more than 100.0000 (conservative estimate) people came together before the protest even started. And that are only some cities where protests are happening today. There are (peaceful) protests every day all over Germany and protests continue.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 10 months ago (1 children)

What have you heard about hate speech laws being abused?

I'm german and haven't heard much

Are you a tabloid reader by any chance?

[–] [email protected] -1 points 10 months ago

Not habitually, but sometimes a tabloid has something super stupid that catches my eye.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 10 months ago

They literally want to deport non ethnic citizens. Also, anti-EU and pro-Germany is an oxymoron. Germany is one of the biggest economic profiteers of the European Union and shared currency.