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Does anybody care that we are going ridiculously way off topic?
https://www.bostonglobe.com/2020/06/11/opinion/statistical-paradox-police-killings/
Thanks for posting this good read. This article makes a lot of sense.
" These statistics are consistent with excessive use of deadly force against Black people, due to a mathematical phenomenon called Simpson’s Paradox.
The key point is that not all encounters with police are equally deadly. In any given kind of encounter with the police, a Black person can be likelier to be killed than a white person even if the overall rate of deaths per encounter appears lower for Black people. This would happen because Black people have many more interactions with police in non-deadly situations — a dynamic exacerbated by racism. And all those extra encounters dilute the rate."
Again you didn't read the article you posted. It agrees with the findings of JMA and contradicts your false claim. It seems reality disagrees with you again. I'm sorry. This must be difficult for you.
Lol you didn't post the second article until I pointed out your mistake. You sir, are sneaky and deceitful. But ok let's look at this.
"But if you’re going to look at the rates that police kill black and white male teenagers, you have to adjust for the rate that black and white male teenagers put themselves at risk – not the rate that both male and female blacks and whites of all ages commit violent crime.
Among blacks, teenage crime is much more of a problem. Black male teenagers were nine times more likely to commit murders than similarly aged white males, not two to three times as likely."
What's the logic here? Black boys are bad and do risky things, so it's necessary for police to kill them?
And this claim that black boys are 9 times more likely to commit murder - well there's a link for this possible racist propaganda but it only gives a 404 error - which means there's no source for this claim. It sounds made up. But again, how is this relevant? Is it supposed to imply that those black boys are killers, killers I tells ya! So the cops gotta kill 'em first? But this doesn't explain the large numbers of people killed while restrained and unable to defend themselves or pose any threat, or for those who were not apprehended for violent crimes but killed during a traffic stop, or minding their own damn business.
The whole thing reads like a blame the victim justification for systemic racism that continues to oppress, marginalize and invalidate the lives of black and indigenous people.
Still the claim about unarmed black people being 3 times more likely to be killed by police is not limited to teenage boys. It's black people of all ages and genders. Breonna Taylor was in her home in pyjamas when police murdered her, and your " black male teens are so dangerous" piece doesn't address that. So I don't think your second article is convincing to anyone except maybe other cops.
Anyway I'm not here to vilify the men and women working in law enforcement, (even though in my heart I feel ACAB) but there is a problem, and ignoring it or justifying it is not good for anybody.
Ok I will give my reply and then you can have the last word.
You know and I know that your original post had one link, not two, and there was a space of time before you edited in the second link. Don't piss on my leg and tell me it's raining.
I admit I did say some stuff just to get your goat and that was wrong and I'm sorry. Please forgive me. Right or wrong, the majority of my posts represent my actual thinking and only a very few comments were made just to yank your chain. Again, I apologize and I promise not to do it in the following paragraphs.
This whole thing started off with a discussion about gun registry. I will give my thinking from my original point that I never really articulated in a clear and meaningful way, and leave to anyone reading to decide if I make sense or not. Agree or disagree with any of the following steps:
Americans have the right to own firearms.
Americans have the right to defend themselves, their families, and property with said firearms against, among other things, government tyranny. History buffs will remember that this country started with resistance to government tyranny, so it's kind of an American tradition.These are points that I assume most conservatives will agree with. This seems logical and reasonable to me and this is my starting point. To proceed:
This whole thing started with discussion about a gun registry. One of the arguments against a gun registry is the argument of government tyranny: if gov't officials have a list of gun owners, then it will be easy to target people who may resist unpopular government policies, either by confiscating guns, or more likely- labeling the gun owners as "violent criminals" and either arresting or otherwise eliminating them.
Does this sound like whackjob conspiracy thinking? I don't think it does, but the next part is where it may get spicy for some ppl:
If that happens, who do you suppose is going to be 'taking away guns' or arresting people on the gun registry list? Do you imagine it will be blue-haired lesbian democrats with masters degrees in gender studies? No, it will be police. Criticise the government in China, and who comes to take you away? Police. it will be the police. Will it be the national guard going from house to house of gun owners? Never. It will be police.
Now if you don't agree with that then ok, use your time more wisely than reading the rest of this, because this is where I make the connection to the African American community.
It's said that figures never lie but liars often figure, so I won't talk about numbers here. I will say that it appears to me as it appears to others that black Americans are killed by police more often than other Americans. Is it liberal media bias? I don't know, but that's how it appears to me and to people better informed and more serious than myself.
What isn't in doubt is that African Americans are conspicuously overrepresented in the US prison system. Don't try to fight me on this, it's pretty well documented.
Here is where it all comes together: the government tyranny that conservative voices have been warning us about is real, and it is happening to black people. It has been happening all along and it is happening now. Put aside the burning buildings and looting for just a second and think of this: Why should anybody in America have to say "hey, our lives matter!" It is because they feel they have been treated like they don't. Conservatives have it right. I'm not trolling or trying to be funny here, this is not leading up to a gotcha moment. The people warning us about misuse of government power are not crazy conspiricy theorists, they are telling the truth. It is so blatantly out in the open that nobody who doesn't suffer from it can see it.
Black and indigenous people have been oppressed and persecuted during the entire existence of this nation, and still today the State sponsored oppression continues.
Who are the main executors of this tyranny? The courts of course, but also, as in the gun registry scenario, the police. The police are an instrument of government tyranny against a minority portion of our population who can neither fight back nor escape.
Police and police sympathisers will of course say this is crazy, this is nonsense, but they have to say that, don't they? " Everyone has equal opportunity" they say. This is the lie of the oppressors.
Here is the end of my last post in this thread: I am against gun registries. BIPOC communities need more guns to protect them from government tyranny, and need our help in resisting State sponsored oppression. Anyone that thinks this is ridiculous nonsense is either brainwashed by propaganda, clueless, or benefits from that oppression.
Thank you for this opportunity to express my views. God bless America.