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Long story short, I have a desktop with Fedora, lovely, fast, sleek and surprisingly reliable for a near rolling distro (it failed me only once back around Fedora 34 or something where it nuked Grub). Tried to install on a 2012 i7 MacBook Air… what a slog!!!!! Surprisingly Ubuntu runs very smooth on it. I have been bothering all my friends for years about moving to Fedora (back then it was because I hated Unity) but now… I mean, I know that we are suppose to hate it for Snaps and what not but… Christ, it does run well! In fairness all my VMs are running DietPi (a slimmed version of Ubuntu) and coming back to the APT world feels like coming back home.

On the other end forcing myself to be on Fedora allows me to stay on the DNF world that is compatible with Amazon Linux etc (which I use for work), it has updated packages, it is nice and clean…. Argh, don’t know how to decide!

Thoughts?

I am not in the mood for Debian. I like the Mint approach but I am not a fan of slow rolling releases and also would like to keep myself as close as upstream as possible, the Debian version is the only one that seems reliable enough but, again, it is Debian, the packages are “old”. Pop Os and similar are two hops away from upstream and so I’d rather not.

Is Snap really that bad?

Edit: thank you all for sharing your experience !

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[–] [email protected] -1 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Side question on this, why are people suggesting Debian, a stable but “old” distro, but never mention RHEL / Rocky? They are on par with stability (and quite possibly RHEL wins on it). Did you know that you can get a free licence if you register as a developer?

[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 year ago (1 children)

If we pretend the issue is just the corporate aspects of Ubuntu/Canonical, Red Hat and RHEL have all of those and then some. People just try not to think about that because Fedora is so nice.

As for Rocky: The status of that is pretty much in massive flux since Redhat bounce between tolerating it and wanting it to be even deader than CentOS depending on the day.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 1 year ago (2 children)

The thing is R Hell can't legally block rocky from using their source, unless they break GPL or stop publishing their images to iron bank.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Are we really back to the 00s? Are we going to start calling it Micro$hill next?

And "Legally it can't be stopped" doesn't really bode well for long term support in the context of contributors and so forth. It won't prevent me from using Rocky (I actually really like it for servers I will likely re-image sooner than later) but it also means I am not going to recommend it to people looking for a distro.

[–] [email protected] -2 points 1 year ago

When looking at the 8.x and 9.x releases Rocky is the most popular distro for enterprise Linux. Even more popular than R hell, and yes I'm still bitter about what they did to centos.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Technically they have to give the code to people who use their product. And the general public is not it. Except I guess the free license one would be problematic. Unless their is something in the license for your use.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago

You do not have to sign a licensing aggreement when you pull the image from Iron Bank, or spin up cloud VMs. In both of those cases you will get access to their source.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago

As the other reply said, Fedora and RHEL harbor the same problem as Ubuntu in terms of corporate backing.
They're all as stable at it gets when it comes to linux distros; all those "server distributions".

I guess people recommend debian because that's what they know. It's got the biggest community, so the most support.
Nothing against Rocky, but i wont recommend it if i've never used it.