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I've never met a person in my life that was convinced by an ad to buy something. I know I never have and never will, I actually stay away from things that are advertised to me. So these fucking brainless fucks are literally wasting their money and energy on ads. Every human being I know loaths ads and would love to erase them from existence. When will they ever get this?
This argument presumes that the entire many-billion and maybe even multiple-trillion dollar global ad industry is ALL based on complete, ineffective nonsense. That everyone has just been bamboozled. That's a naive view, I think.
The best argument for why we must be vigilant against ads and data collection by advertisers is because the shit does work. It influences people to make purchases, sometimes against their better judgement or reason. Because subverting someone's agency over their own body and mind is heinous at a very high level.
I'm certain you are wrong. You've absolutely purchased products that were advertised to you. You just didn't make the connection between your decision and the advertisements. You THINK seeing an ad makes you unlikely to buy a product, but you likely only really notice and have an emotional response to the ads for products you weren't likely to buy in the first place.
Strangers things have happened than money being thrown at bullshit.
NFTs were a thing, recall.
All the industry analysis of the ROI on advertising would've had to come to the same spurious conclusions about that effectiveness, too. With the largest, richest, and most profitable firms being the ones MOST fooled.
No, I don't think anything that strange has ever happened. This is basically a conspiracy theory.
A bunch of people making money jerking one another off and you think any one of them'd be in a rush to rock the boat?
You sound much more conspiratorial with your "capitalism always results in rational and correct decisions" fallacy.
You've literally just described your own view as believing in a grand conspiracy where all players have sworn themselves to secrecy in a scheme any one of them could undermine in a moment, so I guess that's that.
I don't see where I did that. To say you sound more conspiratorial (which you do) is not an admission of any conspiratorial thinking on my part.
In case you edit it away later. Very good, bye now.
Now is that me describing my view as ...I believe the quote was "believing in a grand conspiracy"?
And don't try to side-step that you were speaking metaphorically as you literally said
I did no such thing.
You seem to have a similar grasp on others' words as you do the realities of economic systems.
I know for a fact that you're wrong. You just are. I have never bought a single thing based on an ad, period.
What phone do you hve? What computer? What shoes? What milk do you buy? Ads dont work by showing up and making you go buy it like a drone. You see the ads a thousand times and then you start believing its better than other products
Or even as subtle as brand recognition. Nobody can research every purchase and when you walk walk up to two items and one sounds familiar. You're more likely to buy that one.
I buy things by doing independent research of multiple items, looking at reviews and comparing what's left. For more mundane things like milk, I read the packaging to confirm who produces and distributes it with the intent to buy as local and independent as possible. Or, at a minimum, the least worst option.
None of this takes that much time. It's kinda crazy to me that people just buy stuff without caring about the details. At this point if I see an ad for something, I assume it's a piece of shit or is gonna steal my data in some form.
That is absolutely impossible
You really don't understand how advertising works.
I believe that you're being truthful, but I respectfully challenge the idea that you don't know some person who was convinced by an ad to buy something. Even if all your friends truthfully insist that their decisions are not swayed by ads, there is probably some product they chose at least partially because an advertisement reached them and left a positive impression about the product.
Ads do clearly work on people who are suggestible enough to be susceptible to them. Some of your contacts are probably these people whether they admit to it or not. If ads didn't work, they wouldn't be made. Ads aren't made inherently to be annoying or make our lives worse; they're driven by profit. Kill the profit and the motive dies. IMO that's all the more reason to get rid of them.
Anecdotally, my parents and grandmother watch TV with commercials, and they give me a bug-eyed look when I explain to them that I don't get advertisements and that I don't want to see them. Most people I know just want to get content crammed down their content-holes and will deal with ads to avoid the momentary inconvenience of change. So I feel like we're fighting an uphill battle.
When I was a kid there were some things I'd see and wanted, only to get them and be seriously disappointed. I learned quickly that ads are fluff.
Nowadays, I actively stay away from things I've seen advertised. The way I see it is if a company has to pay tons of money to get their product seen, it can't be all that good to start with. Genuinely good products don't need to try and convince you they're worth it.
Oh boy, all those toys ads on TV where the make the toy look so awesome with all those animations then you get it, and it's a piece of plastic that does absolute none of they advertised.
You are generalizing too much here. I know many who have tried out a product only after seeing its ad. Ads can give plenty of returns to brands. But targeted ads which even exploits our most intimate conversations are really bad news for our right to privacy.
I said "I've never met a person"... then "every human being I know". Does that count as generalizing? This is basically my circle of the people I know.
Literally, yes.
If you say generalize within my circle of people that I know then yes I agree with you, but generalizing in general means everyone, even those I don't know and have never met, and I didn't say that. So, literally not yes. lol
so then your argument is companies are wasting money because you and your circle aren't affected by advertising? how big is your circle that companies should fear not appealling to it?
Prove it.
I mostly agree. But that ad with the unicorn shitting ice cream and kids eating it was a rare exception that worked
lol. Was that a real thing? Never heard of it. I wasn't born in the US, so I might have not seen it
It really was. It was for a toilet foot stand.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YbYWhdLO43Q
(and this is how marketing works)
Marketing psychology works on sub/unconcious triggers. You could study Ed Bernays as a rudimentary source.
met a guy in the psych ward who convinced his doctor to put him on an antidepressant because of an ad on tv.