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Congress has approved legislation that would prevent any president from withdrawing the United States from NATO without approval from the Senate or an Act of Congress. The measure, spearheaded by Sens. Tim Kaine (D-Va.) and Marco Rubio (R-Fla.), was included in the annual National Defense Authorization Act, which passed out of the House on Thursday and is expected to be signed by President Biden.

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[–] [email protected] 106 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Serious question, if the orange dictator returns to power does this actually...you know...stop him in anyway? What happens if he just does it anyway? It's not like there will be any consequences...

[–] [email protected] 48 points 1 year ago

You’re not wrong.

[–] [email protected] 23 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

What would he exactly do? This is basically saying he won't have the ability to order it on his own.

[–] [email protected] 79 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

He won't be able to withdraw from the treaty itself.

He'll be able to publicly say he won't defend NATO allies, he'll be able to withdraw troops, withdraw diplomats, withdraw ambassadors, no longer have US personell attend meetings, refuse to continue funding NATO HQ, sabotage command and control, undermine leadership, and on and on, until the NATO treaty is barely worth the paper it's written on, leaving European NATO wholly unprepared for a potential invasion. It's too late to prepare for that if they start right now.

Russia might then take a gamble. A lot of people thought they wouldn't take that gamble in 2014. People thought they wouldn't take that gamble in 2022. People think they won't take that gamble if Trump gets re-elected.

Or Russia doesn't take that gamble. They simply engage in provocations. Military exercises near the border. Bomber runs which are aborted at the last moment. Some more extravagent extra-territorial assassinations. The chance of a miscalculation skyrockets, the chance of accidentally starting a war increases significantly.

[–] [email protected] 20 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I suppose he could order the US military to physically leave NATO bases, and physically eject NATO allied personnel from American bases.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

It would be up to officers to recognized that as an illegal order and deify it.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I, for one, hope they don't deify illegal orders.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago

A certain portion of the population seems to already deify anything Trump says.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago

They'll just ignore him like they did most of the time.