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There is no such thing as "unskilled labor" (lemmy.world)

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[–] [email protected] 48 points 8 months ago (2 children)

Unskilled means you don't need prior skills before being hired. That's all.

It doesn't mean someone doesn't become proficient, or even great at the job while they have it.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 8 months ago (1 children)

As a person with a fucked up back, a strong back is a skill. Don't tell me ditch diggers and porters don't have skills.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 8 months ago (1 children)

You can teach a ditch digger the skills to dig a ditch the day you hire them. Hence they are an unskilled hire.

A strong back is an ability.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 8 months ago (1 children)

So what you're saying is it takes a day to reach someone the skills to be a ditch digger?

So it's skilled labor?

They're unskilled when they get hired, skilled after a day of training. Might not be a lot of skill required, but that's still not 0

[–] [email protected] 3 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (2 children)

The definition relates to the day of hire. The seeking of new employees. Not the state of those employees after x amount of time working.

Some of the boxes here are too simplistic.

Being a mason, a brick layer, is skilled. But to hire a new person to the crew is unskilled. All they do is carry things, and clean up.

Experienced masons take years to develop, and sometimes include professional certification and education. That's skilled labor.

[–] [email protected] -4 points 8 months ago (1 children)

But to hire a new person to the crew is unskilled. All they do is carry things, and clean up

Both of which are skilled tasks. Is it as skilled as the bricklayer? No.

Does it take 0 skill at all? No.

Incredibly simple concepts that it's funny to see people unable to grasp

[–] [email protected] 3 points 8 months ago

Literally watching you not read the definition of the word. You are ascribing your own value judgement on the situation.

An UNSKILLED hire is someone you could hire from anywhere, anyone at all. No prior exposure to the task at all. That's it. That's all it means.

If you need to hire a bricklayer who can produce at a high level, to exacting standards, and with knowledge of regulations and best practices, you can't hire just anyone. You need a SKILLED hire, because you need that employee to start at a veteran level from day 1.

It does not matter how you build that employee, what they learn, or how masterful they get after say one. That's not what the label refers to. Even if they become the best grocery bagger ever, if you could fire them, and could hire a rookie and get passable results on day one, that's unskilled labor.

Back to the bricklayer, if you hire an unskilled rookie, they start off carrying shit around and cleaning up, but you eventually train them, they then becoming proficient and skilled at bricklaying, great. That employee can now either request skilled pay/a skilled spot on the crew. Or they can go apply to other companies that demand a skilled employee.

That's it.

Bagging groceries or carrying things is "unskilled" even though a person could get pretty good at doing it.