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U.S. Representative Liz Cheney, an outspoken critic of ex-President Donald Trump, said she is weighing a third-party bid for the White House in 2024.

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (3 children)

Yes I very much respect the minority of conservatives who are loyal Americans instead of power mad neofascists trying to subvert our precious 245 year old democracy.

[–] gravitas_deficiency 5 points 9 months ago

If people are ultimately willing to abide by the rules of democracy, they’re not a lost cause - they can be negotiated with.

The line is drawn at dogmatic, slavish devotion to the idea of power at all costs with complete disregard to democratic processes. That isn’t something you can have a debate with.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

A conservative's loyalty to America comes from a desire to maintain traditional values, social orders, and hierarchies of people.

They don't deserve respect. The ones who deserve respect are the ones trying to protect the rights of individuals, maximize the social good of all people, and foster an environment of progress for the future -- the liberals, socialists, and the progressives, that is. People who declare themselves conservative stand in opposition to these things by definition. They do not want things to change for the better because they do not want things to change at all unless it is going backwards.

I'll take the allies I can in this existential fight, but I have zero respect for anyone who's proud to be a conservative.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 9 months ago

Yes I very much respect the minority of conservatives who are loyal Americans instead of power mad neofascists trying to subvert our precious 245 year old democracy.

If there were more than 5 of these unicorns Trump wouldn't have done so well in 2020, and Republicans in congress wouldn't be the clown show that they are today because of the pressure they'd have been receiving from their constituents.

The current state of Repubican leadership convinces me that the only pressure they are getting from their consituents is to go harder with facism.

I hope she fractures the R vote also. But I'm not going to forget what conservative America has enabled and continues to support to this day.