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That's not the case.
"Patients in peer nations generally have similar or shorter wait times than patients in the United States for a variety of services, refuting the argument that universal coverage would necessarily result in longer wait times in the future."
https://www.americanprogress.org/article/truth-wait-times-universal-coverage-systems/
We pay more than those with universal healthcare because we pay for middlemen, advertisements, and other bloat that corporations cause. It would ultimately save us money to ditch the corporate middlemen and have a service that works for everyone:
"Second, we compared extending the current system with the alternative Medicare for All policy, which can save the same number of lives at a cost that is $631 billion lower than the cost of extending the current system."
https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(20)30857-6/fulltext
Even if it wasn't cost effective (it is far more cost effective), it's the morally correct thing to do to treat the sick.
And that's because the rich do not pay their fair share. We are taking on a tax burden that the rich unfairly shoved onto us, but that's a different discussion. One that conservatives don't care about as evidenced by the complete lack of post on the matter in this sub.
If i may, i might even suggest that treating the sick is the Christian thing to do. Not that I'm religious, it's just a great sentiment.
If Jesus came back and visited a Trump rally, they would have crucified him a second time for daring to suggest something as communist as "treat the sick".
You're not actually addressing what I am saying, instead you're going off on an unrelated tangent.
"Trump supporters are anti Jesus"
"Trump did good thing"
Trump doing good thing doesn't negate or address the hostility Trump supporters have for Jesus's teachings.
I give you a new commandment: love one another. Just as I have loved you, you must also love one another” (John 13:34)
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/donald-trump-inauguration-boo-immigrants-chuck-schumer-speech-a7538126.html
By this all people will know that you are my disciples, if you have love for one another.
John 13:35
https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/3977789-trump-rally-crowd-boos-at-mention-of-progressive-lindsey-graham/
That link was about Lindsey Graham being booed by Trump supporters for being vaguely progressive in comparison to them.
Have another:
Above all, keep loving one another earnestly, since love covers a multitude of sins.
1 Peter 4:8
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-34930042
I never claimed to be a christian. I used to, but am no longer.
You do realize that Romans is not all encompassing? It is not considered a sin to ignore some laws? Do you think it was a sin when Germans hid jews in their attics instead of reporting them?
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moving_the_goalposts
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moving_the_goalposts
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whataboutism
This one isn't even true.
Answer my question. Is it a sin, under Romans, to have hid the jews from the nazis, despite Ceasars law requiring citizens to report jews? If it is, then I don't care for your understanding of sin, and nobody should. If it isn't, then you have no argument about modern migration problems.
So your answer is no, it was not a sin?
I am an atheist too. I don't believe in sin either. My question is not "does sin exist?". My question is, within christianity, would it be considered a sin for german citizens to hide jews from the nazis?
The answer is very obviously no. You can't just use Romans as a gotcha to defend any and all laws that hit the books.
Go ask your priest next time you go to church then. Ask them if it would have been sinful for the german citizens to hide the jews, and failing to uphold Ceasars law.
I am aware. Ask next time you go. Ask them if it was sinful to protect jews from nazi law.
If I did, you wouldn't believe me if I told you they said the exact thing I already told you.