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Intel fab shenanigans (alien.top)

submitted 11 months ago by [email protected] to c/[email protected]

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So I saw an Intel slide talking about their plan to hit Intel 3, 20 angstrom, and 18 angstrom within the span of a year 🤣

Perhaps I am missing something, but how is this possible?

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[–] [email protected] 1 points 11 months ago (2 children)

intel used to only rebrand their large node updates.

now that TSMC has popularized branding every single node change they make (N5, N5P, N5HPC, N4, N4P, N4X are all variants of N5) and intel is trying to build a foundry business, they're branding updates to their nodes too instead of just adding pluses. So in the past intel 3 would be intel 4+, intel 18a would be intel 20a+ etc.

They're also burning through cash to get them out sooner due to how delayed intel 10nm was. According to their fab director they got a "blank check" to get their fabs back on competitive pace.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 11 months ago

I think is is right, if I have the external marketing names straight. Intel 3 is the refined version of the Intel 4 process with more IP options for foundry customers, likewise 18A is the foundry version of 20A, which is the first Gate All Around node.

It's well known in the industry that process yields go up over time - while I don't have numbers, I would hazard a guess that foundry customers demand higher yields than internal customers; see Samsung's woes with their current GAA node for an example. Early versions of a tech node may or may not initially be profitable, but it's silly not to sell the good die which are generated in the course of ramping the yields to target levels. New tech also commands a premium which diminishes as competitors catch up.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 11 months ago

Tbh I don't even think Intel 20A is going to be a large density jump over Intel 3 either. Perhaps in SRAM specifically.