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What you guys are hosting instead of Nextcloud? I'm sick of it. (alien.top)
submitted 9 months ago by [email protected] to c/[email protected]
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I am hosting more than 10 services currently but only Nextcloud sends me errors periodically and only Nextcloud is super extremely painfully slow. I quit this sh*t. No more troubleshooting and optimization.

There are mainly 4 services in Nextcloud I'm using:

  • Files: as simple server for upload and download binaries
  • Calendar (with DAVx5): as sync server without web UI
  • Notes: simple note-taking
  • Network folder: mounted on Linux dolphin

Could you recommend me the alternatives for these? All services are supposed to be exposed by HTTPS, so authentication like login is needed. And I've tried note-taking apps like Joplin or trillium but couldn't like it.

Thanks in advance.

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 9 months ago (3 children)

If you're having issues with NextCloud being slow and having errors, it's probably because the machine you are running it on is low on RAM and/or CPU.

I bring this up because what ever replacements you try would likely have the same issues.

My NextCloud instance was nearly unusable when I had it on a Raspberry PI 3, but when I moved it to a container on my faster machine (AMD Ryzen 7 4800U with 16GB of ram) it now works flawlessly.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 9 months ago

The backing database type and the storage it runs on are just as important too.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 9 months ago (1 children)

I agree with this. It needs a good amount of CPU cycle and RAM. Raspi struggled for me too.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 9 months ago (2 children)

My NC instance runs on a 24GB RAM, 4 CPU Ampere A1 host(Oracle), and still struggles. YMMV.

And it struggles as a photo backup host an i5-7xxx and 16GB RAM at home.

It's not absurdly slow, it's just...irritating sometimes.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Whta db are you using

[–] [email protected] 1 points 9 months ago

Postgres.

Also using redis, did all the typical perf checks listed on NC site etc.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Yeah, Ive got this in my setup as well and its been pretty slow. I thought it was a network thing because I'm currently using Tmobile home internet but switching to a fiber optic network with 500Mbps up and down soon. Im really hoping that changes things

[–] [email protected] 1 points 9 months ago (1 children)

There are performance tuning tweaks you can do on NextCloud like memory caching etc.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 9 months ago

Ooo Lovely! I’ll look into that!

[–] [email protected] 1 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Experiencing the same, a good CPU and lots of RAM would resolve the issue

[–] [email protected] 1 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Even if you ran a basic sqlite nexcloud, if properly optimized, you can deal with millions of files like its nothing. And that is the issue, the bugs and lacking optimization..

4650g + 64GB ram + Mysql and it was file locking on just a 21k 10GB folder constantly.

I have written apps (in Go) that do similar and process data 100 times faster then nextcloud. Hell, my scrapers are faster then nextcloud in a local netwerk, and that is dealing with external data, over the internet.

Its BADLY designed software that puts the blame on the consumer to get bigger and better hardware, for what is essentially, early 2000 functionality.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Mysql and it was file locking on just a 21k 10GB folder constantly

It'll definitely do that if you keep your database on a network share with spinning disks.

Spin up a container with sqlite in a ram disk and point it to your same data location. Most of the problems go away.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 9 months ago (1 children)

It'll definitely do that if you keep your database on a network share with spinning disks.

Database and Nextcloud where on a 4TB NVME drive ... in Mysql with plenty of cache/memory assigned to it. Not my first rodeo, ...

[–] [email protected] 1 points 9 months ago

I’m running on an SSD as a VM on 10yr old laptop and have had very few issues compared to running on Raspis in the last. It’s not my first rodeo either and found Debian with NexCloudPi setup script worked the best, then restore from backup. The WebUI is performing great as well as bookmarks, contacts, calendar, video chats and most things I’ve thrown at it. NVME may be overkill but the combination of solid CPU, RAM and Disk IO should alleviate any problems. My hunch is there are other resource constraints or bottlenecks at play, perhaps DDOS or other attacks (experienced that for sure and you can test by dropping your firewall ingress rules to confirm).

Also, this is FOSS and I find the features and usability are better than anything else out there, especially with Letsencrypt.