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[–] [email protected] 79 points 9 months ago (6 children)

I get the joke but I don't have any problems visiting websites. Neither with firefox nor with mull

[–] [email protected] 47 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (4 children)

Go to https://business.apple.com/#/main/users

Reset your user agent string. It will tell you that your browser is unsupported. Switch your user string to chrome and everything will function as expected.

IT people probably run into more problems with non-chromium browsers.

Edit: it has to be visited on a desktop regardless. ABM does not like mobile browsers.

[–] [email protected] 27 points 9 months ago (2 children)

IT person here, Firefox works fine for everything that matters.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

That's highly subjective. At our org there's a reason our baseline deployment for workstation images comes with both Chrome and Firefox. We have thousands of users across dozens of specialties (HR, logistics, scientists, engineers, etc) and they all have a multitude of web apps they use day to day. Some of those don't like Chrome or Firefox. Hell, we even had to support god damn IE11 for way too long before Microsoft thankfully forced its death by discontinuing security support (our cybersecurity people ban anything that doesn't have active vendor support with very few exceptions).

[–] [email protected] 4 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Unfortunately, I have to manage Apple devices. Also unfortunately, Verizon has yet to answer my automated enrollment requests.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Well you should have easy access to Safari at least. But that's stupid for them to exclude Firefox on that Apple Business site that I've never looked at before today.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 9 months ago

I'm on a windows machine. I have to use this for iPhones until Verizon approves my requests. But yeah that one in particular doesn't make sense to me. Its not even a product its a management tool for schools and businesses.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 9 months ago (1 children)

What the hell is wrong with apple?

That's not firefox' fault

Btw: what's abm?

[–] [email protected] 6 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Apple business management? Just guessing from context.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 9 months ago

You have approximate knowledge of many things.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Here is the problem with changing the user agent (IMO). It just re-enforces the idea that Chrome/Chromium browsers are the only browsers and therefore sites should just be coded for them. Which they are currently the most common for people to be using since even Microsoft gave up on IE and the original Edge. But the fact that Microsoft and Google are still the most dominate OS'es means that we are just seeing IE all over again. With sites being coded to only expect Chromium, then they are just set to not even allow them to be loaded by anything else.

The fact that so many of the sites do in fact work with Firefox/Safari when the user agent is set to falsely report that it is Chrome/Chromium should be kind of concerning. Just leads to false narratives that other options are not worth using due to being bad products. Kind of like how in the US we are conditioned to believe that there are only two parties to choose from and all other options shouldn't be allowed or are never okay to support.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 9 months ago

It is concerning. I make sure to reset my string when I'm done so that my computer reports it is using firefox. Something should be done. But I am so exhausted and overworked that I don't have time for much else.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 9 months ago

My wife was recently in school. Almost all the services she used decline to render unless you're using Chrome.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 9 months ago (2 children)

I 100% expect websites to soon start breaking their interface on Firefox. With Chromium blocking the best adblockers, they will be incentivized to nudge people to Chromium browsers.

Didn’t we already see Youtube sneaking in a 5 second delay for Firefox users?

[–] [email protected] 3 points 9 months ago

Come on, don't you people read what other people write?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 9 months ago

There was a reddit post that claimed that, and it was debunked in that same reddit post. Some website made a "news" article about it, citing said reddit post. Bigger news orgs made articles about it citing that website.

There are so many "news" websites that basically don't do any fact checking and use social media as their sources.

My other pet peeve around social media "journalism" is when someone writes an article about a hot take on a political topic and their source is some tweet with like 2 likes and retweet. Like, that's not a radical opinion many people share, stop making it seem like this is a common sentiment amongst the left/right.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 9 months ago (1 children)

But I did have issues with some Web SDRs on http://www.websdr.org/ when using Chromium-based browsers

And I wasn't the only one, looking at F.A.Q.:

Q: I'm using Chrome and don't hear audio (on some sites)!

A: Since version 71, Chrome does not allow every website to start playing audio, in order to stop annoying advertisements. Chrome tries to guess whether you want audio or not, but doesn't always get it right. On some WebSDR sites, you'll get an "audio start" button, on some you don't.

If you don't get audio, try the following:

  • At the top right, click the 4 vertical dots, and then Settings.
  • At the bottom, click Advanced.
  • Under "Privacy and security," click Site settings.
  • Select "Sound"
  • Select "Add" and enter "http://*"

^(thanks^ ^to^ ^K9GL^ ^for^ ^these^ ^instructions)^

Note that the above effectively disables Chrome's "autoplay" policy for all http sites.

^Although^ ^stopping^ ^automatic^ ^sound^ ^from^ ^advertisements^ ^is^ ^a^ ^noble^ ^idea,^ ^I^ ^think^ ^Chrome's^ ^autoplay^ ^policy^ ^is^ ^fundamentally^ ^wrong.^ ^Instead^ ^of^ ^trying^ ^to^ ^guess^ ^what^ ^the^ ^user^ ^wants,^ ^the^ ^browser^ ^should^ ^simply^ ^ask^ ^the^ ^user^ ^whether^ ^he/she^ ^wants^ ^to^ ^allow^ ^the^ ^page^ ^to^ ^play^ ^sound^ ^(and^ ^remember^ ^that^ ^for^ ^later^ ^visits,^ ^of^ ^course).^

[–] [email protected] 1 points 9 months ago

😅😂

[–] [email protected] 3 points 9 months ago (2 children)

The only think I can't do in FF is flash an esp32. It's the only reason I have chrome installed.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 9 months ago (2 children)

There are multiple dedicated ESP32 flashing programs available for most operating systems, there should be no reason to use any web browser to flash a microcontroller.

The fact this even needs to be said says a lot about modern web browsers, and software development in general.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 9 months ago

I believe ESPHome has a web flasher that only works on Chrome or Edge. It's a simple way to prepare your devices.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 9 months ago (2 children)

WebUSB is handy for things like factory resetting a pixel, where it's one of many options available... what I don't like is when manufacturers decide to only allow their device to be configured over webusb (looking at you various mech keyboard companies 🤬)

[–] [email protected] 2 points 9 months ago

I never learned how to use that, just used the CLI tools like fastboot and adb for all that

[–] [email protected] 1 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (1 children)

How do you factory reset a Pixel through web?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 9 months ago (1 children)

redmedical will force me to open the rotting corpse of edge everytime i try to enter a meeting.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Would MSEdgeRedirect help with that?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 9 months ago (1 children)

not really. i can open it in another browser, but anything else is "unsupported"

[–] [email protected] 2 points 9 months ago (1 children)

The site claims it's unsupported? That usually means nothing. Every site I've encountered like that will work fine in Firefox if I switch the user agent header to Edge.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 9 months ago (1 children)

i will try that next time, might just work. do you need an extension, or is that a native feature?

[–] [email protected] 2 points 9 months ago

Afaik you need an extension. The best one I've found is called User-Agent Switcher.

It even works for me on Android, for the Firefox builds that support sideloading addons.