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[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Hey, sorry if I pushed any buttons. I agree, a pure form of any of mentioned ideologies is bound to fail. In my POV and experience btw, we are better off with a free market, competition, and some kind of socialism net in order to not get "game overs". I don't know if I'm making sense to you, but again, just my 2cents.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (2 children)

No, I think we disagree here. Pure Communism is a good thing, it just takes time to build it. What the USSR had was a flawed version of Marxism-Leninism, which even if replicated today would not have the same set of issues it faced uniquely due to civil war, WWII, and Stalin. I don't want a recreation of the USSR either, but I do want Communism as the end goal.

The Free Market is a sham and the profit motive results in stagnation, consumerism, Imperialism, and a lack of choice. Competition is only a good thing in the context of Capitalism and Markets. Social Safety Nets are not Worker Ownership of the Means of Production.

What you're advocating for is Social Democracy, which is well and good compared to most Capitalist systems, but is straight up inferior to actual Socialism, as essentially its Capitalism but with band-aids.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago

I deleted my comment because you're right, I'm advocating for a Social democracy. I went to Wikipedia after I commented, just to be sure 😅

Apologies.

wiki source: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_democracy#:~:text=It%20is%20characterized%20by%20a,care%2C%20and%20workers'%20compensation.

It's just a shame that this is not fully implemented in my country. We have a lot of means of production controlled by the state and cripple high taxes which promotes poverty, contrary to the end goals of socialism.