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I have a fundamental question about this case: was he there physically with her? Coercion is one thing, but the word "force" implies he was somehow in control. I am in no way defending him, but it reeks terribly of the "look what you made me do" vibe and I feel somewhat uneasy about how this played out.
Omegle was a piece of the internet I never partook in. It never appealed to me to talk with random internet people. Perhaps I don't understand why he had power over her.
Edit: thanks, I everyone. I get it from a subjective position.
Not all methods of force are physical. This was an adult talking to an 11 year old. 11 year olds have in many cases not had enough life experience to understand that there are adults that will manipulate them in this way. It’s possible he got her to do things and then blackmailed her for more. Regardless of how he did it, he was an adult and she was an 11 year old child. Not acceptable no matter the circumstance.
One can have leverage over another person by threatening to harm oneself or someone else.
There's been many cases in omegle of people threatening "show me your boobs or I'll kill this pet". If the victim complies, the agressor may continue through blackmailing.
Jesus man, you can't be serious. That is like the epitome of all the "I'm better than you" condescension I've seen so far, and I'm not even a quarter way down your profile page
That's a pretty flimsy line of thought. You're losing your edge, bud.
Of course, the point is that only a narcissist would think to compare a child in this situation to themselves in an attempt to find fault, but that's gonna go over your head because you're just around to disagree.
Anyway, this is just another example. I'm not gonna engage more than that
I honestly can't tell if you're still trolling or you really don't get what's wrong with what you said. It's great. You're an awful human being either way
That's the spirit. Broad stroke denial. Of course you can't be wrong! You literally don't know how to admit fault! That's why you're so condescending all the time, because you are unerringly, always right.
I guess it makes sense that you have to be a narcissist to play a troll so well.
There that stonewalling I've been expecting for awhile now. Back to that tactic now that the insults aren't working, huh?
I'm proud of you, bud. I'll be around. There's nothing quite like poking an internet troll while they're in the middle of something.
I can only assume but the first few pictures where probably coerced and after wards she was threatened to send more or he would release them. That definitely counts as forced. She was only 11 and this thing went on for 3 years. It's definitely not just "look what you made me do".
You can force someone to do something without being physically present.
Man, this comment is just fucked. Who argues that an 11 year old isn't the victim for being black mailed?
A internet troll, that's who. Someone so condescending and self-righteous that they have to link that traumatic experience back to their own childhood to prove how right they are
Look, I'm not here to open this argument back up with you. Just pointing out that you're in various posts arguing over pointless crap and asserting you'd do it better.
Nah bud, you said it. You said you were raised right and it wouldn't have happened to you.
Anyway, I'm over expecting consistency from the way you argue. You don't really observe that anyway
Ooo look at you getting into the nitty gritty defending yourself to someone who actually doesn't care. I'm not the person you're arguing with.
The downvotes on your post speak for themselves. It's pretty clear what you meant, and it's pretty clear you meant it condescendingly.
I'm just saying. You say you're not arguing. But the evidence is all over the place over just 8 hours
Oh I do care, but not about that. I care about seeing you keep on rolling as the most deluded internet troll I've ever seen. I thought maybe I'd get you to realize what you are a little, after the ridiculous claim that you don't argue.
But there's no fault for you to see in yourself. I'm perfectly aware that this is an effort in futility.
I just find how thick you are kind of neat
You're so edgy, it's great. You're like "oh wow I'm engaging in arguments riiight nooow it's so haaard"
Yeah bro, I made you stop by hijacking some of the arguments you were in and pointing out some seriously bad takes. That doesn't mean you didn't make them
I love how insistent you are that your word is infallible. The only true narcissist in a room is the one who insists they're never wrong. You've got the stuff to make a great troll, kid.
Ooo another insult. Ever get tired of trying so hard to deflect your own flaws?
Nice take. You're really running out of material now. But hey, I have the right to be an intolerable asshole just like you, yeah?
Great. I'm content doing this. How long do you think I'll have to badger you before you realize you'll have to make a new profile to get rid of me?
That's the spirit, buddy. Just pretend like I don't exist
He somehow got her to get started and then threatened her, saying that she was now complicit in making illegal porn and would get in trouble.
Shitty parents don’t look at internet history. Even shittier parents blame others for not educating themselves on protecting their kids.
Ok but that’s still not the kids fault. It’s the adult who forced a child to send him nude photos.
I don't think anyone is blaming the child. All of the adults involved fucked up.
I don’t disagree. But the parents should be devastated thinking “we could have done more” because it’s a few YouTube videos away from a locked down device.
Look at internet history?! That’s the first thing kids learn to clear, right before private mode and free (trial) VPN services. The methods get swapped like candy in school.
May I gently ask if you have kids? My experience is that curious t(w)eenagers always find a way and I say this as someone who runs their own pihole, OPNsense-filtering router. The filter mobile phone networks enable is poor and by the time kids hit 13, they know every trick in the book.
And that’s before you realise screen time restrictions doesn’t actually work fully on iOS.
I’m a network administrator. It’s easy. Do you homework. Watch a YouTube video or something ffs.
It’s not easy. Do you have teenage kids?
I’ve redirected DNS ports. I’m subscribed to an up to date set of filters. I’ve got screen time set up on phones and the kids have non-admin accounts on laptops. But it doesn’t matter.
It doesn’t matter because your kids will attend school. They will meet kids with unrestricted internet access. They will be sent shit in the 100 WhatsApp groups they are in, 40 of which have formed just this week (the old 40 groups?! Awmahgawd you’re not part of the old 40 groups are you? That was so last week!!). Snapchat, Facebook, TikTok, Instagram is FULL of shit you don’t want your kids to see. And you can refuse these for your kids - we were the last hold out amongst their class to give in to some of them, (although dammit I’m dying on the hill of Instagram resistance - they can install that shit when they’re 18; it’s like liquid self-loathing, injected straight into their veins).
Are you refusing your kids to attend that sleep over? I mean, Linda is a nice girl, but Rebecca’s parents couldn’t give a shit and she’ll be there too. Linda’s parents care, but what will Rebecca bring? Oh great, theyve been on Omegle and now I have to speak to my daughter about that hairy, sweaty naked man masturbating in front of them for 2 seconds before Linda and my daughter disconnected. I mean Rebecca thought it was hilarious, of course.
You cannot lock the world down enough that your kids are shielded. All you can do is try to raise them well, to recognise danger and to stand up for themselves.
But that means they’ll do dumb stuff and have some shocks along the way … and the same is true for the parents.
I’m all for Omegle’s right to exist. But for heaven sake there were 10 things they could have done to make it safer for kids.
I have clients who try to break free, yes.
No one can control devices that aren’t under their control, so in that case there’s nothing a parent can do and I wouldn’t place blame on them. It’s the other parents fault.
Who are you arguing is to blame now? What other parents?
Did you read the comment I was commenting on? Probably not. Probably just here to complain because you disagree with me. Blocked. 😘