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cross-posted from: https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/post/7643915

As always in capitalism, video games have largely deformed from an art form into just another means to generate profit for large corporations

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Even if we suppose that's true, you're still failing to illustrate how capital is necessary for production under socialism.

[–] bernieecclestoned -3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Maybe we should start with what you mean by capital

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Given the context of the meme being a picture of Karl Marx, I was using the Marxist definition of capital. Marxists.org provides a pretty digestible definition: https://www.marxists.org/glossary/terms/c/a.htm

[–] bernieecclestoned -2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Ok good. So capital is required for capex and opex.

As you start with 0 sales you need to get capital from investors to fund you until sales >1

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Yes, that is how it works under capitalism.

Under socialism however, the state funds labor based on needs and/or desires for the output of that labor (the commodity). In this case, the money isn't used for the goal of making more money, therefore, this isn't capital at all. And yet, the labor happens and the commodity created. Therefore, the production is independent of the capital.

[–] bernieecclestoned 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It's how the state decides to fund things that's the problem though. As has been proven over and over again in multiple countries.

It's great theory, but it's just theory.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

What exactly is the relevance? To me it seems like you're just shifting the goal posts.

[–] bernieecclestoned 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Decentralisation > centralisation

Power corrupts.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

So it's not relevant and you've shifted the goal posts? Got it.

[–] bernieecclestoned 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Nope. You said

Under socialism however, the state funds labor based on needs and/or desires for the output of that labor

How it chooses to fund labour is less efficient than decisions made where the decision needs to be made. Centralising power doesn't work. Not in China, not with the EU, not in Russia, not in America

We need new theory, not 19th century failed ones. We're connect at the speed of light, representative forms of government are now unnecessary.

We need local governance, my favourite is sortition and some form of global digital decision making