Back to Ted
this post was submitted on 01 Nov 2023
1380 points (95.9% liked)
Memes
46461 readers
781 users here now
Rules:
- Be civil and nice.
- Try not to excessively repost, as a rule of thumb, wait at least 2 months to do it if you have to.
founded 5 years ago
MODERATORS
you are viewing a single comment's thread
view the rest of the comments
view the rest of the comments
There is a lot to discuss. I'm discussing about why I think communal style living/economics don't scale well. You think it does, there are reasons we both have our opinions and maybe we could actually learn from each other rather than you viewing me as someone to be defeated.
You need to define what you mean by not working.
Of course discussion is needed. How else do you expand your mind and thoughts without discussing things? I don't take your views as being inherently true in much the same way you don't take mine, that's healthy and normal.
I would argue the primary cause of all of these problems is that we live in a world of finite resources. I think all of those things would still be problems under any political system we tried to implement. If there was plenty of resources for everyone we would just multiply until that wasn't the case any more.
I reject the notion that we could rid the world of these things, the entirety of human history provides empirical evidence that backs me up on this. I think it's fantastical to think we could rid the world of these things, all we can do is try to reduce the impact as best we can in the limited ways that we can as individuals and as a society.
We produce more than enough food to feed everyone. Even if you say something like logistics is an issue, we could still feed everyone in the developed nations at least, but we don't. That's a choice.
Climate change is much more of a practical issue than starvation and poverty. We already have solutions for starvation as I said.
We don't have solutions for starvation at all on a global scale and we do try to feed everyone in developed nations that's why countries have welfare. I agree the welfare safety net should be stronger generally, but I don't think people starving to death is a widespread issue in developed nations. The homeless are much more likely to die due to lack of shelter or drug issues.
We have enough food and we have a global shipping industry that is very efficient. So why can't we feed everyone again?
It's clearly because we haven't had a socialist revolution. That would sort all logistical and societal problems out forever.
That's what I am trying to tell you. There are no logistical problems we don't have the capacity to solve, it's simply not profitable to do so. Feeding the poor who can't pay you isn't profitable so it doesn't get done.
There is thinking there are no logistics problems we can't solve and then there is actually solving them taking into account real geopolitics.
So you admit then that the problems are political, not practical in nature?
Geopolitical, as in a combination of political, cultural and geographical.
I don't think noting the problem is partially political is enough to say it's easily solveable.
I think we're coming at this from a different philosophy, you see politics as something that is easily changeable, I see it as a product of environmental and cultural positions. Changing the entire world's politics is a nigh on impossible task.
You see geopolitics as a variable, I see it as a constraint on the actual variables.
Yes because seeds are the only resource people fight over...
You're arguing with a child, or maybe they're an adult with a childlike intellect.