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Calls for defederation - Is the idea of the open marketplace of ideas outdated? (self.controversial)

submitted 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) by Hastur to c/controversial

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Lately I see a lot of calls do have specific instances defederated for a particular subset of reasons:

Don't like their content
Dont like their political leaning
Dont like their free speech approach
General feeling of being offended
I want a safe space!
This instance if hurting vulnerable people

I personally find each and every one of these arguments invalid. Everybody has the right to live in an echo chamber, but mandating it for everyone else is something that goes a bit too far.

Has humanity really developed into a situation where words and thoughts are more hurtful than sticks and stones?

Edit: Original context https://slrpnk.net/post/554148

Controversial topic, feel free to discuss!

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[–] pattmayne -2 points 1 year ago (6 children)

It's not a comeback because this isn't a battle of clever insults. It's a discussion about how to organize and interact.

You don't have a problem with defederation, but if you DO have a problem with being connected to other instances... That's the scenario where you can create your own siloed instance and block everybody.

I want to read everybody and talk to everybody.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago (4 children)

You may have freedom of speech, but I also have the freedom to not listen to you.

[–] pattmayne -1 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Right, you can block me. But that's different from denying other people from reading me, and denying me from reading other people.

Also, I'm not the one saying problematic stuff. I'm not afraid of being censored. I'm afraid of being denied access to censored material.

[–] Guncle 1 points 1 year ago

One server defederating from another is not a case of denying you from reading other people. You have the ability to join another server or make your own. You can even view content without an account. If I invited you into my house and you asked to watch a show on Netflix and I deny you, I am not preventing you from watching Netflix. I’m just not putting it on in my house. You can go home and watch Netflix.

The great thing about Lemmy and the rest of the Fediverse is not that they are all federated, but that you can find a server that blocks what you don't want to see. You can also create your own server for that purpose.

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