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Calls for defederation - Is the idea of the open marketplace of ideas outdated?
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this post was submitted on 27 Jun 2023
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I've been on the internet for a minute... if you think unmoderated free speech works in a primarily text based medium then I have a bridge in Queens that just popped on the market. Oh look that's a statement, i should defend that right with logically consistent arguments and citations and draw my conclusions from that and oh my God is anyone still reading this?
The most concise reason I have is that respect is a two-way street, and I haven't met a lot of folks online who actually understand what it means to respect an argument. The barrier to entry for me is the ability to think critically, and that involves regulating your own speach and not having to rely on others to do it for you.
So let's see... statement, some bullshit evidence, appeal to critical thinking, one more to go ...
This is a falsifiable and testable theory ... find me a site that promotes this and I'll look and see how long it takes for it to fail my one simple criteria.
Your mixing the need for moderation which I don't dispute with the call for defederation by users who feel offended by lawful freedom of speech.
So if you want to make an argument against what I actually said/wrote: Be my guest.
These are private instances run by private entities. There is no "lawful freedom of speech" because no governments are involved. Furthermore, lemmy is global, not just American.
Lemmy is not private just because instances are owned by individuals. If you post or comment you broadcast which is public and regulated by free speech laws where applicable.
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You seem to have a simply wrong understanding of freedom of speech. Just because it's the internet, doesn't make it a right for you to get your voice heard anywhere you want it. Just like people can walk away or plug their ears if you are shouting in a public park, they can choose not to join a group you are in online. If I set up a podcast, I'm not infringing on your rights if I don't let you on. If I let 100 other people join whenever they want but don't let you join, I'm not infringing on your rights, I'm exercising my own. Just because an instance becomes popular, that doesn't magically take away the rights of the person running it to let people on or choose to, or not to, associate with some other group.
Federation is messy, and will have it's share of bigots and power hungry users and owners, but your 'freedom of speech' means the government can't limit your speech, not that everyone else has to enable it.
I do understand that it's confusing because centralized platforms like Twitter and Reddit and Facebook have grown to the size and scope where they are nearly public utilities and have started approaching the level where freedom of speech may become a consideration(if they have a near monopoly and you are almost effectively silenced by a ban from those platforms) but federated instances are literally the opposite of that. Don't like how an instance treats you? Join a different one or start your own. But consider each instance as a small club that can let you in or block you, that can join up with any other group that it wants... Not something that is obligated to vote on every decision, or obey the US ten commandments.