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Lemmy

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Everything about Lemmy; bugs, gripes, praises, and advocacy.

For discussion about the lemmy.ml instance, go to [email protected].

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How to use:

The url must be the hostname only, NO SLASHES, like this: lemmy.dbzer0.com, don't use https://, don't append a slash afterwards (lemmy.dbzer0.com/), only the hostname including the subdomain if it has it (in this case, lemmy).

If the instance has blocked the IP address from the server, or it is stuck and its API is not working correctly, it returns "Not a Lemmy instance" (I am too busy to fix this right now).

If the url is not formatted in a way it can process it, it will say Invalid URL. Better processing can come in the future. I won't be updating it now.

In the backend, it just scrapes https://fba.ryona.agency/?domain={url} and uses the api https://{instance}/api/v3/federated_instances

PRs welcome.

Honestly it works better when deployed locally in a development environment. I think Vercel's IP address is just blocked by cloudflare and other blacklists that stop automated stuff? Idk. Can check back in a few days.

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[–] god 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Idk what's hard about it.

SJW is blocked by Beehaw, I wanna see beehaw and SJW, I check the tool, I input lemm.ee, I see lemm.ee has both SJW and Beehaw and is not banned by anyone big, I join lemm.ee

It's a pretty simple thought process.

Another level of complexity is, for example, knowing that lemm.ee bans nsfw content and you can't post it. What if you want nsfw? You check the tool again, find lemmy.zip which doesn't have nsfw blocked and has not blocked or been blocked by SJW and Beehaw and many others, you sign up, and you have all you want. What's so hard or bad about that?

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

This kind of "what's best for me alone in the short term" thinking is absolutely destructive to a federated network and is really only a small notch above intentional ban evasion.

[–] god 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I feel that you're somehow missing the entire point. I'm not looking to evade any bans. If I wanna read news from beehaw.org and sh.itjust.works on the same Subscribed feed, and potentially interact with the comments, I cannot do that from either sh.itjust.works or beehaw.org, but I need to go to a third instance that has both available. Am "I" as an individual banned? No. Am I part of the target group banned? No. I am simply caught in the crossfire. To pretend like, by doing this, I am somehow harming federation, is not realistic for me.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

You have to think about this a bit broader. You are one of many actors in a federated network that together help shape the network.

Let's say Facebook opens a fediverse instance (which they will soon do) and most of the well managed instances imediatly block them since they are a known bad actor and actively harmful to the ecosystem.

If you now intentionally look for a instance that federates both with these instances and the one run by Facebook, that is a form of ban evasion that is indirectly detrimental to the health of the Fediverse.

[–] god 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

If you now intentionally look for a instance that federats both with these instances and the one run by Facebook, that is a form of ban evasion that is indirectly detrimental to the health of the wider Fediverse.

No it isn't. Let's say I join "littlehorseylemmy.org" which has, say, 30 people, and I just wanna see what the facebookers are doing and what the regular lemmings are doing, as long as I am not sharing content between sides, I am not even affecting any of both sides.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

This is short term thinking.

Instances block other bad actor instances to either get them to stop being bad actors or to isolate them from the network. Its a kind of built in immune system so to say.

By intentionally choosing to not participate in this collective effort you are at best a fool directly helping Facebook to get a foothold in the Fediverse.

[–] god 1 points 1 year ago

Nah, by not following the footsteps of a bunch o people who think they know better than me, I am at best finding pleasure in life and not following the spooky arbitrary rules others set for me. It's not short-term thinking, it's long-term thinking about what's best for me. My effect on me will always be much greater than the infinitesimaly small effect I have on a collective made up of hundreds of thousands of people. As long as I'm not trolling or ruining people's experiences, I am free to do whatever I want.

And besides, you're arguing about the biggest possible problem that there will be, and even then the effect I can have is tiny. My effect on other things such as the SJW-Beehaw block, or the lemmyworld-beehaw block, is even tinier, because these two are not even targeting each other, but are simply trying to make moderation easier. My so-called "ban-evasion" would not be harmful to any as I am not even the target of this "ban".