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While AC Milan has the second most UCL trophies, they have like half of Juventus' Serie A trophy count or something. And for Juventus it's the opposite: dominate Italy, lose in Europe. Liverpool has the majority of it's success in 1970-1990 2 decades. I would say that though with less UCL trophies, Manchester United is above them with quality/quantity of legendary players, and more recent success 1990-2013. Yet they have don't have as much UCL success compared to AC Milan, Real Madrid, Liverpool, Barcelona, Bayern, Ajax. So yeah Bayern Munich is clear of any of these teams in my opinion. Real is the unanimous 1st place. As for second it's either Barcelona or Bayern Munich.
Barcelona had a massive bump due to Messi. It remains to be seen whether they can regain that same stature.
Barcelona had a massive bump due to Negreira. It remains to be seen wether they can retain the adulterated titles they won.