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There's a German saying, "Mitgefangen, mitgehangen": Caught together, hung together. If you don't want people to assume you're a Nazi maybe don't hang out in their backyard.
...and if you didn't notice but only notice now, well, maybe it's time to high-tail out of there. Plenty of instances out there and it's not like your community over there would already be up and running, it's in the "all posts are by the mod" phase.
Why don't you self-host an instance for your community so that you have better control over who federates with it and who doesn't?
If you want to, sure, go ahead but self-hosting shouldn't be a requirement to even have an opinion on these matters.
The Nazi bar story comes to mind.
I dont have to be educated on what Germans think about nazis. I remember that little time period where you guys took over my country, pillaged it and murdered my people for not agreeing with your nazi leaders. And pretty much every part of Europe.
I dont have to high tail out of any place, I just dont want to be bullied by people like you harassing me with comments out of context.
It's not just Germans. If you associate with Nazi's (you are) then you are a Nazi. You actively made that choice.
Honest question, from someone who absolutely does not want to associate with nazis:
I can understand leaving an instance that allows nazis, but there has to be some limit to "don't ever associate with nazis" - a silly example perhaps, but if a nazi moves into my town, do I have to leave town?
I mean, I understand leaving Fediverse instances and moving from a town in real life are two totally different things, but at the same time, it's the same principle - don't stay where nazis are allowed. Even if it's pretty clear cut that you should leave the instance, I'm just saying that perhaps sometimes there are exceptions to the "don't stay where nazis are allowed" rule.
I mean, it depends. If Nazis are coming to your town you should organise and make them leave again, or at least keep their head down and out of sight. You know, the usual Antifa stuff: Friendly letter to e.g. venues whether they really want to host Nazis, to landlords, to employers, whatnot. Raise the social cost of doing Nazi things. Collecting sufficient intelligence is always the first line of action, the second is a thorough analysis of the situation, choosing the right mode of action to have the maximum amount of people behind you etc, anything else is actionism. If in doubt, be creative.
If, OTOH, you move to a small village in East Germany and, participating in an ordinary village grill-out suddenly realise everyone is laughing at the Holocaust joke someone wrote on their BBQ smoker -- you're probably the only non-Nazi there. For your own safety and sanity, yep, high-tail out of there. If your safety and sanity aren't in danger in that situation chances are you're a Nazi, or at least sufficiently adjacent.
At least over here they really tried the "just a regular guy doing regular things, nothing to see, helpful friendly chap" approach, e.g. Nazis joining volunteer fire brigades, in an attempt to normalise themselves. As in Germany the municipalities can't generally prevent someone from joining up the rest of the fire department threatened resignation which then gave the municipality the necessary reason to deny the Nazi membership.