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While yes I agree a bus or a train is a better option than having shit ton of self driving robo cars something about having your own space and being able to set the temperature to what you want and play your music on the speakers is nice for some people
It's not like we're about getting rid of cars altogether. It just shouldn't be both the default and only option. They're a luxury item, not the bare minimum required, lest you be destined for poverty.
Nobody actually thinks we want to obliterate cars, they just need to echo the assertion that we do to assure themselves they made the right decision in taking on bloated payments for a 6 wheel yeeyee truck to drive from their apartment to their desk job.
Given the excitement around SUVs I wouldn't be surprised if this is a reality in the near future lol
It already is, I personally know people who are this person 😂
I'm not saying that you are either I'm just saying that it's not bad to like luxury items like cars and that there are some benefits for those who can afford them
The music thing can easily be fixed by headphones rhe temperature usually works out for me but i guess that's personal preference
You can usually handle the temperature easily with sensible clothing choices.
Do you guys not have AC in your trains?
Yes but I don't have control over it.
Yeah but speakers are often nicer to listen to than headphones not saying it's needed just a nice luxury it's like having your own house vs having roommates
That says more to me about the quality of headphones, and therefore more about you than about cars or transit.
What do you want me to have 1000 dollar open back headphones so that everyone on the train can hear everything I'm listening to
You don't need 1000 dollar ones, just spend more than 10$ on a non dollar store pair.
Most audiophiles would vehemently disagree!
i enjoy when people bring this up as if to imply that that's a good reason to keep building american car-centric suburbia
Sounds to me like an excuse to invest in making the experience quality of transit better, at least for some. Longer distances in Executive Class aboard the Frecciarossa looks & sounds like a travelling experience that even the most determined car dependency fan would leave his car home for.
Not my point was just staying liking a car isn't a bad thing and is valid being dependent on cars and them being our only option is stupid though
i'm glad you agree on car dependency being bad. the problem is that you were arguing for cars being useful for some people for some small reasons as if you were responding to an argument that we should ban all cars everywhere all the time. so if you don't mind, i'd like to walk you through why your comment went... unappreciated here, despite no ill intention on your part.
that's not what the post was arguing
that's not what anybody in fuckcars argues
basically everbody in fuckcars, including me, will agree with the statement that cars have legitimate use cases, so arguing it as if you will meet any pushback is sus
arguing that point based on temperature control and music on speakers implies that the objections people of fuckcars have to car dependency are similarly centered around one's own immediate personal comfort, rather than long-term societal health which directly and indirectly benefits everybody in that society, even those who can't afford a car with working speakers or a/c in our current version of society
these sorts of implications are very commonly done intentionally by people arguing disingenuously, many of whom i've run into on either this forum or the reddit precursor
do ya see where i'm coming from now?
It is also nice to be able to leave when you want, and get off the road to take a break or stop to eat where you want. It is also nice to have the flexibility to move around as you please at your destination.
I really wish that the US had a functional rail system, let along high speed rail. I fell in love with sleeper trains when I was living abroad in college, it was so nice to get dinner somewhere near the centrally located train station, hop on the train, hang out a bit then get rocked to sleep and wake up at your destination.
Fuck using a car to commute, I am more than happy to take the train for that, and generally when transit is convenient I prefer to not have to drive.
I feel the ability to blast your own music is a weird consolation prize for having to drive.
I've listened to music on public transport for years and the difference between headphones and car speakers does not compensate for the difference between driving and riding.
Get this: if you spend less time in the car, you get more time to do that at time!
That's called staying home.
No one's stoping you from putting on headphones.