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[–] [email protected] 28 points 10 months ago (3 children)

I like the sound of that. Pharmacare seems like an obviously good policy.

Are there any decent arguments against it?

[–] [email protected] 16 points 10 months ago

The only real argument is "it's too expensive," so no.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 10 months ago (1 children)

My only concern is that they'll have to get the provinces on-side, or face a prolonged uphill battle of challenges that will delay it for years.

Given how hard it was to get some of the provinces to agree to dental and child care (which still aren't fully implemented yet), I can't see this being any less painful.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 10 months ago

Might be ok for Manitoba now...

Previously, all aid (covid, healthcare, etc) was just redirected to debt

[–] [email protected] 5 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (3 children)

It kind of seems like the Liberals are freaking out about finances right now. They don't want to keep running big deficits, but they're also afraid to hike taxes while they're already weak in the polls, so they're resorting to things like cutting defence spending in a moment where the world is edging towards war.

In the end higher taxes are probably what needs to happen. The conservatives will razz them for it, but that's much better even from a purely electoral standpoint then a snap election right now.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 10 months ago (2 children)

Harper crippled us long term by reducing the GST.

It'll be political suicide to increase it for anyone, and now we all suffer.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 10 months ago (1 children)

It's not where I'd go. In Canada right now, investment income is taxed at a much lower rate than income from actual work, and that seems messed up. I don't know how much would be brought in by changing that, but it's not nothing. And, of course, you could always do things with the upper tax brackets.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago (1 children)

I think it makes sense for investments to be less though as you're risking something vs just income. One is safe the other isn't.

But messing with upper brackets does increase tax revenue from investments of the wealthy as well so it is probably the easiest of all spots.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 10 months ago (1 children)

I think it makes sense for investments to be less though as you’re risking something vs just income. One is safe the other isn’t.

You're of course allowed to have that opinion, but I'd like to point out working for a living isn't risk-free either. 10 million in a conservative ETF is probably less likely to fail than a job you could get laid off from.

Yes, some kind of income tax is probably best. Honestly if it was up to me I'd get rid of corporate taxes in favour of them too, although I think there's treaty obligations not to do that right now.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

What I'd also like to see, but would be difficult to implement is taxing the wealthy when they use assets for leverage / borrowing to avoid taxes.

They can defer taxes for decades this way, in some cases until they die.

Leave it for us small timers, but put a limit somewhere where it becomes taxed somehow.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 10 months ago

I am fine with reducing CONSUMPTION tax which mostly impact the poor and the middle class. We should be raising the taxes on investment income.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 10 months ago

If they tax the RICH like they promised they won't be in that position. BUT their benefactors are the rich so they are afraid of offending their patrons.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 10 months ago (2 children)

I though pharmacare was one of those things that paid for itself with the single point of negotiation and reduced need for emergency care? I don't really remember the numbers...

[–] [email protected] 2 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

Well, emergency care is also a provincial responsibility, and a single point of negotiation is moot from a federal budget perspective if the alternative is to pay nothing and let people fend for themselves. To society I'm sure it's the better, cheaper option, though.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago

You don't see those results immediately, so it's easy to campaign against at first.