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My i7-4770 could do anything I threw at it. I replaced it 5 years ago with a 2700x and regret that decision ever since. The AM4 platform did not treat me well. I upgraded from a 2700x to 5900 to now a 5800x3d and all had stupid AGESA bullshit.
The AMD AM4 platform still is buggy after all this time. Why did I keep on upgrading the AM4 platform you ask? Sunk cost fallacy. I gathered it was something in the main board so I first upgraded from x470 to x570. The problems worsened. They got better when I bought the 5900 but still weird usb errors and erp (the sleep thing) issues. And let's not forget the ungraceful thermal throttling which AMD appears to be doing. (I've my fans on screaming on load because when my 5800x3d hits 90 degrees Celsius my system blue screens. 5900x did the same. Never had that with Intel, that just a slow down to crawling speed.
Long story short: choose a platform with enough pcie lanes and the biggest baddest cpu you can afford. From what I read the AM5 platform once again is plagued by all kinds of weird agesa bugs so I wouldn't touch that platform with a ten feet pole. But my opinion is colored after all the problems I had with amd.
What you're saying is true: pay more now will result in a longer life. Just choose wisely (an 13900 is not choosing wisely ;)
For gaming the gpu is more important of course. I would go with an Intel 1x500 or 1x700, ddr5 and the biggest nvidia gpu you can afford. Yup, also there I had very bad experiences with ATI. I mean AMD.
Why 1x: if I'm correct the new Intel gen is just around the corner. I would wait those 2 months.
In your case, IF you're happy with the am4 platform and your setup is stable.... And if your vrm can handle it.... Why not slot an 5800x/5900x/5800x3d in there and see how far those 300and change bucks get you? The jump from 2x00 to 5x00 is giganourmous I can say.
This is an unusual experience,
I've had a 2800x,3700x, 5800x3d built other computers with 5600x and 5600x3d. Totaling 4 computers on am4 in my house, and all are working fine.
Just add more usb devices and an usb dac. Shit would happen. The usb problems were ignored and worse flat out denied for years. Then all of a sudden an agesa update fixed it.. Then after 8 months or so another update broke it again. And now it's fixed again.
Several other bios settings just never have worked. Example? Ever heard of EDC? Yeah, neither did AMD. Never worked as it should.
AM4 AGESA is a bug fest. And if you read the boards AM5 does not look much better.
Asus X470 strix-f with 2700x, 5900x. Gigabyte X570 master with 2700x (terrible), 5900 and 5800x3d.
Exceeding the Thermal limit does not result in throttling on AMD. It results in both boards in blue screens. The system doesn't throttle : it halts.
Not everyone has experienced these bugs and if you didnt: I'm happy for you. But I did experience them.
FWIW, I have had zero problems with AM4. Love my 5600G (will upgrade when it's no longer good enough), and it gave me a great stop-gap gaming rig while GPU prices were fucked up.
Sorry you got the buggy ones, though.
How does the 5600G stack up against physically separate GPUs? Somewhere in the neighborhood of the nvidia 1660? Higher? Lower?
I've got an HTPC running 10 year old budget Intel integrated graphics right now that I need to upgrade. I've got a spare b450 mobo, spare 2600 and 5600x, and a spare rtx 2070. But the case is low profile so the 2070 won't fit. Trying to figure out if I should get a low profile GPU or 5600G (but then I'd still have 2 CPUs I need to figure out what to do with.)
I would get the upgraded 5700G, but it's probably somewhere between a 1050 and a 1660. I played all of the BioShock series on Max settings, as well as Halo Infinite and Prey on Medium and got 40-60fps with an average above 50. With DDR4 @3600 C16 (or better, if you're insanely lucky), it's an impressive little onboard GPU.
Where it struggles is texture streaming. It just can't hold that much texture data, even with a generous amount of RAM, so you'll inevitably sometimes wind up with LOD blurriness. Still, if you temper your expectations, it can be quite capable.
For the best experience, a dedicated GPU would perform best (mainly because of the aforementioned texture limitations), but if you want a small package that can also do some gaming, it definitely can.
Thanks!
I also use my HTPC as my file server, and plex server, but I'll probably try to use it as my CloneHero machine too. I'm going to have a think about what I really want it to do and what kind of video performance I need.
As an HTPC it's connected to a 4k TV, so I'd like to make sure its able to hold 60fps on the desktop when watching movies (which shouldn't be a problem). However I also want some decent GPU hardware to offload plex transcoding to.
I don't really see many good options for low profile video cards at the moment. I think what I'll end up doing is getting 5700g like you said and using that for now, then when some low profile cards come out (at reasonable prices) that can handle AV1 encode, I'll throw one of those in the machine.