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[–] TheSecurityNinja 147 points 10 months ago (5 children)

I started my career as a plumber (exterior - digging up water mains), and currently I am a corporate IT security engineer.

While the plumbing part was absolutely harder physically, the work was overall more enjoyable and much less stressful. I was outside a lot of the time, I got to play with heavy equipment, and most of the time there wasn’t much urgency to the tasks. I never stared at the ceiling at 2 am worrying what tomorrow would bring.

In corporate IT security? There are days I don’t leave my desk for 6-8 hours straight. I feel a constant need to be connected, and I’m always planning, strategizing and worrying about the next project.

Everyone talks about the sitting at the desk thing, which is an issue, but corporate life is also much more mentally taxing. And that crap adds up over 10-20 years.

[–] praise_idleness 55 points 10 months ago (2 children)

There is something about manual labor that office workers cannot simply understand. Sure it's hard and often times dangerous. But at the end of the day, you feel tired than drained.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Yeah, I miss that too. I had to get out because my body was beat up.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 10 months ago

Or you just move into management. I still do some physical work, because I never want to be the boss who refuses to get his hands dirty, but most of my days are spent coordinating, tracking and problem-solving and also a fair amount of pointless paperwork.

[–] BakedGoods 1 points 10 months ago

It's not about whether the work is more manual or mental. It's about if the workplace is good or bad. A bad workplace will leave you exhausted and drained by the end of the day. A good workplace will leave you with leftover energy to live your actual life.

[–] [email protected] 39 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

I went the career firefighter route.

Pros: tons of time off, rewarding, never boring, great pay and benefits. Will actually be able to retire at 55.

Cons: pretty much guaranteed to get cancer and it's not even the expected stuff from fires. The AFFF foam we used for years had PFAS -- a carcinogen. Even better, it turns out even brand new, unused turnout gear is absolutely saturated in PFAS too.

Oh and stress, cumulative injuries, etc.

[–] Evilsmiley 24 points 10 months ago (1 children)

It's like we made a bad deal with a devil.

Oh you want to be fireproof? Sure. Here's the catch: cancer.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 10 months ago

Look it' s better than the old asbestos gear

[–] [email protected] 9 points 10 months ago (3 children)

I'm interested in STEM (I very much have an engineers brain) but I'd like to avoid the office lifestyle and constant stress that you mentioned. Do you have any recommendations about what I shoukd look into?

[–] [email protected] 6 points 10 months ago

As an engineer, you’re gonna be stressed a lot. But you have a wide range of what kind of stress you get and how much time you spend in an office. I’m industrial and I spend some days on my feet building shit, some days sitting in front of a spreadsheet until my soul hurts, and most days doing a bit of this and a bit of that with good balance of sitting and standing.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 10 months ago

I work in municipal development and our civil engineers get to do a fair amount of site inspections.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 10 months ago

CNC machining and particularly programming. Be careful, there are lots of boring jobs out there (mostly labeled "operator", and lower paid), but if you can get a programming position they're pretty cushy. It's in a shop, but also on a computer, since you have to set up the machine too (usually, again it depends on the company).

[–] [email protected] 4 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

The thing I dislike about working an office job is that you will likely work for a corporation, so you get stuck in endless meetings about trying to meet unrealistic growth targets and that is absolutely draining.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Wow, seems life is easier with the job you wouldn’t expect it from, right?

[–] [email protected] 7 points 10 months ago

Until your back and joints don't work at 35, and you need to work for another 30 years.