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Pressure grows on Apple to open up iMessage::Samsung has joined Google’s campaign to force Apple to make iMessage RCS-compatible—but European regulators are more likely to get that job done.

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[–] [email protected] 13 points 10 months ago (2 children)

I'll just carry on using whatapps and people on iPhones can either download it or put up with my different coloured bubbles if they don't want too. Luckily people in the UK are all mostly on WhatsApp anyway, this who text message colours is a very yank centric problem.

[–] [email protected] 21 points 10 months ago (2 children)

Signal or at least Telegram or Viber. Fuck WhatsApp, I'd like at least my messenger app to not belong to Facebook of all companies.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Whatsapp is actually better than Telegram lol. You fell for Telegrams marketing lol

[–] [email protected] 0 points 10 months ago (1 children)

At least Telegram doesn't show your fucking phone number

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago (2 children)

They can literally read your messages by default lol

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago

For now. Facebook has said that they plan to disable end-to-end encryption in WhatsApp at some point, so that you can receive messages from people using Facebook Messenger.

[–] [email protected] -3 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Any FSB agent can connect any whatsapp message to person who wrote it.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago (1 children)

That's just plain wrong.

Whatsapp is using the Signal Protocol.

To read your messages they need to get your phone. And now even your Backups are encrypted, so they can't read your Messages from there.

[–] [email protected] -2 points 10 months ago (1 children)

What encryption will do against someone who is in same group chat?

[–] [email protected] -3 points 10 months ago (2 children)

While it's all still E2E encrypted I don't really care what servers it goes though. If the UK/EU manage to get encryption blocked then I'll worry.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago

they still collect the messages' metadata and create a profile based on that.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Do you use E2EE for all your chats? I think nearly nobody does.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago

It's on by default with every convo in WA.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (3 children)

I tried to use it a few months ago. It would not let me use it unless I gave it access to all my contacts' information. I denied the permission request and it wouldn't work.

How in the hell are you okay with that?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago (1 children)

I'm pretty sure the stock SMS app that comes with your phone also needs access to the contacts permissions, but is enabled by default, so the app doesn't even ask for it.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 10 months ago

So in addition to that, why give the information to Facebook too?

Remember, Zuckerberg thinks people are dumbfucks for giving information to him.

Why do they go out of their way to disable the app if I deny access to contacts? Surely it would be less work to just add a couple of warnings telling me it may not work properly. But to disable the whole app? That is absolutely ridiculous.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Because that's how phones work, it links your account to your phone number and uses your contacts to tell you who's on the app too using their numbers.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Because that's how -phones- Whatsapp works,

Yeah, that is also how computer viruses work. I was very thankful for permission control. That app is cancer.

[–] [email protected] -2 points 10 months ago (2 children)

Meh, I think some people are just paranoid on Lemmy when it comes to stuff like this. There's plenty of laws in the UK around storage and use of information that protect users of apps like this.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 10 months ago (1 children)

If it's so benign, why make it necessary to give all the information about all your contacts to the app?

To paraphrase Zuckerberg, "people are dumbfucks for giving me so much information."

[–] [email protected] -2 points 10 months ago (1 children)

How else do you think a messaging app that replaces your phones messaging functionality is supposed to work if not on phone numbers?

[–] [email protected] 4 points 10 months ago (1 children)

So you're saying that the only way a messaging app can work is to access all the information from all your contacts? If it doesn't have all that information, it can't work? If Whatsapp can't have all that information, it would be impossible to function?

[–] [email protected] -1 points 10 months ago (1 children)

No, it's fully possible to have its own account and log in system, but that adds a layer of abstraction that makes it harder to sell to people as a replacement for their inbuilt messaging apps which just require a phone number.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 10 months ago

If you give Facebook any benefit of the doubt in relation to privacy concerns, I guess I can only believe Zuckerberg to be correct.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 10 months ago

And all thieves pay close attention to laws, and make sure their apps have "nothing" hidden in the folds.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 10 months ago (1 children)

How do you think phone number based chat apps works bro?

[–] [email protected] 2 points 10 months ago

Give me the option to add contacts individually?

That app is cancer, better just to nope out of the installation.