Result
I'm not removing it. Not because the result of the poll is like that, but because I'm tired of being called a child abuser by people. Even if they are right or wrong. My apologies to those who think otherwise.
As you know, we've had a lot of drama about age in last days. And I'm so sorry to open a new one. I hope I don't use the wrong word this time :)
You can see current rules below, which suggested by @[email protected] in here.
- 1: No sexual depictions of real people under the age of 18. Period.
- 2: No sexual artwork of fictional characters who are canonically under the age of 18. (eg, Sailor Moon, Rei Ayanami, Lisa Simpson, etc.) This includes “aged up” versions of such characters.
- 3: No sexual artwork of fictional characters who unambiguously appear under the age of 18, regardless of canonical age. This includes, but is not limited to, “3,000 year old dragon loli” type characters. The basis for this will be behavior and physical appearance. Admin/mod’s decision is final.
- 4: Sexual artwork of fictional characters with no canonical age and ambiguously youthful appearance is allowed, at admin/mod’s discretion.
The problem is rule 2. In the current hentai communities, if we look at canonical age, it's around 30% underage. However, looking at the images, not all of these contents appear as underage. Check out some of the reports:
- https://lemmynsfw.com/pictrs/image/f421e2c6-12d3-4c88-b834-01a0a1bcd2d1.jpeg
- https://lemmynsfw.com/pictrs/image/967e8735-0996-4712-880f-799be80b7cd9.jpeg
- https://iili.io/H6Bp9v2.md.png
- https://iili.io/HPhp97n.jpg
- https://iili.io/H6CJPWP.png
These characters are all canonically underage, but only last one (and maybe 3th) looks underage. This makes moderation difficult. Anyway, I wanted to ask everyone because I'm very indecisive about this. IDK how Reddit handled these.
Do you think we should remove the 2nd rule and examine it under the 3rd rule or should the rule remain?
https://strawpoll.com/ajnEOA2PBZW
Also we're looking for an admin
We are looking for someone who is especially knowledgeable about hentai, who can take care of this business regardless of the outcome of the decision. I sent an offer to @[email protected] regarding this. Looking for another admin too.
I think from a legal point of view, you could possibly toe a line and go by 'good faith' etc. etc. I absolutely would not want to be the one on the hook for any edge cases as an instance host/admin, not in a million years.
But morally I struggle to see a strong argument for not taking a strict line. There are enough adult characters to fantasise about if that's your thing. Leave the ambiguous shit for the dark corners of the web.
I suspect that any attempt to try and find a compromise here will lead to the instance being quite rightly defederated so that users of other instances don't have to have apparently underage sexual imagery turning up when they view the 'All' tab. I can deal with porn turning up in my feed if I've ticked the 'Show NSFW' box. But seeing drawn CSAM (that's what it is, brass tacks) is gross.