this post was submitted on 24 Jun 2023
57 points (82.0% liked)

Canada

7386 readers
433 users here now

What's going on Canada?

Related Communities

🍁 Meta

🗺️ Provinces / Territories

🏙️ Cities / Local Communities

Sorted alphabetically by city name.

🏒 SportsHockey

Football (NFL): incomplete

Football (CFL): incomplete

Baseball

Basketball

Soccer

💻 Schools / Universities

Sorted by province, then by total full-time enrolment.

💵 Finance, Shopping, Sales

🗣️ Politics

🍁 Social / Culture

Rules

  1. Keep the original title when submitting an article. You can put your own commentary in the body of the post or in the comment section.

Reminder that the rules for lemmy.ca also apply here. See the sidebar on the homepage: lemmy.ca

founded 4 years ago
MODERATORS
[email protected]
[email protected]
57
TechDirt: As Canada Passes Corrupt Link Tax, Meta Says No More News Links In Canada (www.techdirt.com)
submitted 2 years ago by [email protected] to c/[email protected]
72 comments fedilink hide all child comments
 

TechDirt’s Mike Masnick gets it exactly right in covering Canada’s C-18 bill:

If you believe in the open web, if you believe that you should never have to pay to link to something, if you believe that no one should have to pay to provide you a benefit, then you should support Meta’s stance here. Yes, it’s self-serving for Meta. Of course it is. But, even if it’s by accident, or a side-effect, it’s helping to defend the open web, against a ridiculous attack from an astoundingly ignorant and foolish set of Canadian politicians.

And just generally points out the huge holes in Heritage Minister Pablo Rodriguez understanding from the Power & Politics Interview.

you are viewing a single comment's thread
view the rest of the comments
[–] [email protected] 27 points 2 years ago (15 children)

Meta said that to Australia too, but ultimately caved. We need to not let ourselves be frightened by the threats of corporations. They are meant to serve our society, not the other way around.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 years ago (14 children)

Sure. Except, if you read the article, this is about a fundamental discussion about paying to link to things. Should every post to Lemmy pay the website it links to?

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (6 children)

Maybe. It depends on what's linked and how that affects the system. Linking isn't any different than downloading something which we know is ultimately copying information. There are nuances to copying in regards to copyright laws ethics, etc. And of course it wouldn't be Lemmy, the app, paying. Maybe not even Lemmy, the instance owner, or the poster since neither of them are profiting from that linking.

[–] rektifier 1 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

Linking is very different from downloading or copying. A link is only a reference to the content, not the content itself. The news site retains full control over the content. If the news site wants to make more money from visitors, they can use ads or paywalls.

And of course it wouldn’t be Lemmy, the app, paying. Maybe not even Lemmy, the instance owner, or the poster since neither of them are profiting from that linking.

What if an instance is getting enough donations to be considered profitable? Drawing the line at profitability just punishes success and efficiency.

BTW a lot of posts in c/canada have snippets copied from the linked articles. How is this any different from FB and google showing links and snippets?

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

Linking is very different from downloading or copying

It depends on the contents of the link. Is it a bare URL? Is it a text "click here"? Is it the title of the linked page? Is it a snippet of the linked page? You can quickly see how linking can incorporate copying depending on how it's done. As you acknowledge further down:

BTW a lot of posts in c/canada have snippets copied from the linked articles. How is this any different from FB and google showing links and snippets?

On the point of profitable instances:

What if an instance is getting enough donations to be considered profitable? Drawing the line at profitability just punishes success and efficiency.

When such a successful instance begins having a "significant bargaining power imbalance" (with news businesses), then it isn't and they'll become subject to the law and will have to negotiate payments.

[–] rektifier 3 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

I gave the bill a quick read.

It depends on the contents of the link. Is it a bare URL? Is it a text “click here”? Is it the title of the linked page? Is it a snippet of the linked page? You can quickly see how linking can incorporate copying depending on how it’s done.

I consider snippets copying, not linking, but let's agree to disagree on the terminology, because the bill covers anything from URLs to snippets anyway.

significant bargaining power imbalance

This is what the bill actually says, so we're small fish and get a free ride.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 years ago

Exactly.

load more comments (4 replies)
load more comments (11 replies)
load more comments (11 replies)