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[โ€“] [email protected] 13 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Ukraine did not exist during WW2, it could not have stood with Nazis. While some of the people probably did, so did some of everyone else. We had Americans, Brits, French, Poles and even some Russians who were traitors.

The fact that this Russian propaganda that Ukraine is somehow Nazi actually spreads is sad...

[โ€“] [email protected] 11 points 1 year ago (1 children)

We had Americans, Brits, French, Poles and even some Russians who were traitors.

Not just that but there were also Nazi-like parties in most of the other countries at the time. Germany was mostly unique in that they came to power but it is not as if that type of political movement didn't exist elsewhere in the 1930s.

[โ€“] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Russia didn't invite an SS volunteer to the Canadian Parliament.

[โ€“] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago (2 children)
[โ€“] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

No, but it sure wasn't Russia either. Not everything that makes Ukraine look bad is Russian propaganda.

[โ€“] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

That is. It's been blaring from their media for a solid year now, and is the stated casus belli of their invasion. It is 100% Russian-produced misinformation, leveraging the fact that people don't know anything about Ukrainian history to attack them with false stories.

It's an old trick. The Nazis tried to convince the world Poles were stupid and needed to be ruled by overlords, by misrepresenting and twisting stories with their propaganda. Poles never actually charged tanks with their cavalry, there are no records of that ever happening, from Nazi or Polish sources.

[โ€“] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

That is. What, inviting an SS volunteer to the Canadian Parliament? That's Russian propaganda?

[โ€“] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

So, Ukraine didn't invite dude to Canadian Parliament. People think they did, even though that's not really even feasible. Where do you think that unnatural idea most likely came from?

Russian propaganda exists. It's out there. People listen to it sometimes.

[โ€“] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Who thinks they did? Everything I heard was people making fun of Canadians, because it's their fuckup.

[โ€“] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Just elsewhere in this thread there's an example. Are you, perhaps, a Russian propagandist? I can't think of why else someone would try to downplay Russian propaganda, when it's so clearly and obviously being pumped out. As we would expect, since there's a war ongoing.

[โ€“] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[โ€“] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

Do you think they are rare or something? Musicians get fans, politicians get fans, sports teams get fans, but Russia doesn't?

Propaganda is fucking common as fuck. In every country in the world. I don't know why this hard truth is so difficult to swallow.

[โ€“] [email protected] -2 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[โ€“] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It'd be hard for Ukraine to invite anyone to the Canadian Parliament when Ukraine is not part of the Canadian Parliament. They're the invitee, not the inviter.

Like, I can't just invite myself into your house, that's just not how invitation works.

[โ€“] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

So I looked into it more. At first I thought that the Nazi was Zelenski's +1 and it was Zelenski who didn't know who he was, but it turns out the Nazi was invited by the speaker of Canada's House of Commons as a fighter of the First Ukrainian Division, not knowing that the division was a volunteer Nazi unit