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[–] [email protected] -2 points 1 year ago (11 children)

Modern Mint and Ubuntu come with completely GUI driven package managers for installing and updating.

Okay and...what about the cornucopia of software that is not available in those repositories?

The only reason you would have to use the CLI is if you are doing some power user stuff

No it's not. You're just wrong about that and I don't understand why you feel the need to lie about it. Any kind of diagnostics or troubleshooting you try to find support for Linux will be almost guaranteed to send you into the CLI.

You sound awfully close minded and angry for some reason too.

I am not closed-minded but I am angry because people throw around "it's easy" all the time with zero concept of what a typical person is capable of. So idiots like me dive into it and spend hours and hours trying to make it work until we just give up and then have to go back and undo all of it just to get shit working again, which is just a giant fucking waste of time.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (9 children)

Okay and…what about the cornucopia of software that is not available in those repositories?

Sort by approximate number of pre-compiled packages. AppImage etc. are on top of that.

You have to hunt for software on windows way more than on Linux. And it also doesn't always have a CLI installer: Say you want to control a Huawei E3372 not via its web interface (which sucks). Where do you go? You find a project on github, install go via chocolatey, then compile the project, then drop the exe somewhere.

Linux, at least, does not fucking de-install the graphics drivers while I'm playing a game. The level of jank on Linux is high, yes, with Windows it's incomprehensibly high.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 1 year ago (8 children)

You have to hunt for software on windows way more than on Linux.

No you don't. No one uses the Windows store. You just go to the website that makes the software and download and open the .exe

[–] GeekyNerdyNerd 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

You just go to the website that makes the software and download

That's literally hunting for the software dude. You gotta open up a web browser, and if you don't know the webpage already you gotta search for it, find the download page on that website, get passed the likely popups and other crap and then finally select the right version of the software to download.

Package managers are 10000% better. Even Microsoft knows this, it's why they created winget.

Putting in winget search software name Copying the package name from the search result Putting in winget install pasted package name is significantly fewer steps. No Google search, no finding the download page, no popup crap, and no fake download button ads trying to get you to install malware. You just install the software in less time than it would take to even write your crappy comment.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

You gotta open up a web browser, and if you don't know the webpage already you gotta search for it, find the download page on that website, get passed the likely popups and other crap and then finally select the right version of the software to download.

Which is all 1000x easier and more intuitive than installing an appimage or tar.gz or whatever other 1000 Linux filetypes need to be installed using the CLI. It honestly boggles my mind that you can't understand this.

Package managers are 10000% better.

Yes I agree but we were specifically discussing software that's not found in package managers, which is a lot of it.

Putting in winget search

WTF is a winget?

no popup crap, and no fake download button ads trying to get you to install malware

If you are installing software from websites with pop-up ads and malware, that is a whole other problem not related to the OS.

[–] GeekyNerdyNerd 2 points 1 year ago

Winget is the command-line package manager Microsoft made for windows 10/11 recently.

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