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[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago (2 children)

If freedom of press is one of the ways you can assess how fascist a state is, which it is, then I wonder which countries you consider better than the west. China? Russia? North Korea? Yeah, all places renown for not silencing journalists, poisoning political opponents or ruling with an iron fist. All places where you can just criticize the government, publicly, on prime TV, in the journals, without repercussions.

Also all places where they don't murder people for their political views, where they don't incarcerate them, torture them, send them to "re-education camps" or try to genocide entire ethnic groups in order to reduce dissent.

At the end of the day, "the west" remains the only place where you can actually go on tv, in the squares and protest against the government decisions, criticize them and even vote for the government to leave power. Is it perfect? Hell no, it's a disgusting system rigged by the rich and powerful, but it's still miles ahead of any totalitarian, authoritarian dictatorship.

Also it's not like China isn't buying lots of oil from Iran, a country which it's as much a savage murderous regime as Saudi Arabia, and from Russia, an imperialistic warmongering nation. And the reason it's clear, they need energy as much as the west needs energy. It's the reason why everyone puts up with those kinds of people.

The sooner we, as a species, can move away from oil, coal, gas and the likes, the better it will be for everyone. No more energy wars and a cleaner planet overall.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 1 year ago (2 children)

How much good has your criticism of the government done?

Do you have affordable housing? Are your healthcare needs covered? Is your taxpayer money going to help improve your life? Is the homeless issue solved? Has your government avoided going to war? Has your government fixed the rampant racial inequality in the prison system?

I say this like it's to an American, but really it applies to most Western countries.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Well, some of those point have improved in some countries of the western block. Not everyone is American btw. And I'm not saying the west is perfect, but when making a statement like "this is why the west is the worst" you also need to tell me who is better.

Lots of these issues are extremely present in other non-western countries as well and even more so. Or are you telling me that outside of western countries everyone else has affordable housing, free, good and available healthcare, a good and fair justice system, no racial inequality and no wars?

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

Sure, I'm not denying that conditions aren't perfect, but the argument being made is that having a democracy influences government policy to align with citizens' interests.

Looking at per-capita wealth, the West should be doing much better on these key issues under the assumption that the government exists to make people's lives better.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Who is doing so much better though? It seems like most countries have similar issues and it's not really a West vs East thing. Costa Rica seems like one of the nicer places to live in the world right now, but it's a "Western" country and it's also tiny.

I look at Eastern countries like Korea and Japan and see a ton of problems with workers being abused and authoritarian legal systems. Better than the US in some ways but worse in others. I would rather live in the US despite the worse healthcare cause I don't want to work 12 hours a day.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 1 year ago

US labour law exists in spite of democracy, not because of it. Also, I think it's hard to argue that Korea and Japan aren't Western democracies (in that, they value Western democratic ideals and structure their governments around the Western concept of democracy).