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Everybody knows that a lie can make it halfway around the world before the truth has even got its boots on.

And the ongoing turmoil over Canada’s parliament recognizing former SS trooper Yaroslav Hunka highlights one of the most important reasons why.

Something that’s untrue but simple is far more persuasive than a complicated, nuanced truth — a major problem for Western democracies trying to fight disinformation and propaganda by countering it with the truth, and one reason why fact-checking and debunking are only of limited use for doing so.

In the case of Hunka, the mass outrage stems from his enlistment with one of the foreign legions of the Waffen-SS, fighting Soviet forces on Germany’s eastern front. And it’s a demonstration of how when history is complicated, it can be a gift to propagandists who exploit the appeal of simplicity.

This history is complicated because fighting against the USSR at the time didn’t necessarily make you a Nazi, just someone who had an excruciating choice over which of these two terror regimes to resist. However, the idea that foreign volunteers and conscripts were being allocated to the Waffen-SS rather than the Wehrmacht on administrative rather than ideological grounds is a hard sell for audiences conditioned to believe the SS’s primary task was genocide. And simple narratives like “everybody in the SS was guilty of war crimes” are more pervasive because they’re much simpler to grasp.

Canada’s enemies have thus latched on to these simple narratives, alongside concerned citizens in Canada itself, with the misstep over Hunka being used by Russia and its backers to attack Ukraine, Canada and each country’s association with the other.

According to Russia’s ambassador in Canada, Hunka’s unit “committed multiple war crimes, including mass murder, against the Russian people, ethnic Russians. This is a proven fact.” But whenever a Russian official calls something a “proven fact,” it should set off alarms. And sure enough, here too the facts were invented out of thin air. Repeated exhaustive investigations — including by not only the Nuremberg trials but also the British, Canadian and even Soviet authorities — led to the conclusion that no war crimes or atrocities had been committed by this particular unit.

But this is just the latest twist in a long-running campaign by the Russian Embassy in Ottawa, dating back even to Soviet times, when the USSR would leverage accusations of Nazi collaboration for political purposes as part of its “active measures” operations.

And given Moscow’s own history of aggression and atrocities during World War II and its aftermath, there’s a special cynicism underlying the Russian accusations. Russia feels comfortable shouting about “Nazis,” real or imaginary, in Ukraine or elsewhere, because unlike Nazi Germany, leaders and soldiers of the Soviet Union were never put on trial for their war crimes. Russia clings to the Nuremberg trials as a benchmark of legitimacy because as a victorious power, it was never subjected to the same reckoning. And yet, both before and after their collaborative effort to carve up eastern Europe between them, the Soviets and the Nazis had so much in common that it’s now illegal to point these similarities out in Russia.

Yet, it’s not just enemies of democracy that are subscribing to the seductively simple. Jewish advocacy groups in Canada have been understandably loud in their condemnation of Hunka’s recognition. But here, too, accusations risk being influenced more by misconception and supposition than history and evidence.

The Friends of Simon Wiesenthal Center registered its outrage, noting that Hunka’s unit’s “crimes against humanity during the Holocaust are well-documented” — a statement that doesn’t seem to have any more substance than the accusation by Russia.

In fact, during previous investigations of the same group carried out by a Canadian Commission of Inquiry, Simon Wiesenthal himself was found to have made broad accusations that were found to be “nearly totally useless” and “put the Canadian government to a considerable amount of purposeless work.”

The result of all this is that otherwise intelligent people are now trying to outdo each other in a chorus of evidence-free condemnation.

In Parliament itself, Canadian Conservative MP Melissa Lantsman called Hunka “a monster.” Meanwhile, Poland’s education minister appears to have decided to first seek Hunka’s extradition to Poland, then try to determine whether he has actually committed any crime afterward. And the ostracism is now extending to members of Hunka’s family, born long after any possible crime could have been committed during World War II.

The episode shows that dealing with complex truths is hard but essential. Unfortunately, though, a debunking or fact-checking approach to countering disinformation relies on an audience willing to put in the time and effort to read the accurate version of events, and be interested in discovering it in the first place. This means debunking mainly works for very specific audiences, like government officials, analysts, academics and (some) journalists.

But most of the rest of us, especially when just scrolling through social media, are instead likely to have a superficial and fleeting interest, which means a lengthy exposition of why a given piece of information is wrong will be far less likely to reach us and have an impact.

In the Hunka case, commentary taking a more balanced view of the complex history does exist, but it’s rare, and when it does occur, it is by unfortunate necessity very long — a direct contrast to most propaganda narratives that are successfully spread by Russia and its agents. Sadly, an idea simple enough to fit on a T-shirt is vastly more powerful than a rebuttal that has to start with “well, actually . . .”

Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau has now issued an apology in his own name over Hunka’s ovation too. However, any further discussion of the error has to be carefully phrased, as any suggestion that Canada is showing contrition for “honoring a Nazi” would acquiesce to the rewriting of history by Russia and its backers, and concede to allegations of Hunka’s guilt that have no basis in evidence.

It’s true that Hunka should never have been invited into Canada’s House of Commons. But that’s not because he himself might be guilty of any crime. Rightly or wrongly, on an issue so toxic, it was inevitable the invitation would provide a golden opportunity for Russian propaganda.

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[–] [email protected] -1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

But some guy here was upvoted for saying 'if you fought Russians during WWII, you were a Nazi'.

Great article but as it states, people willing to read this are already the kind of people who are open to change their minds with new information with the desire to take the time to read this new information.

For others, it's just confirmation bias.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Generalplan_Ost

At a bare minimum, these Slavic nazis were collaborators in the murder of 11 million Slavs, 4 million of those being Ukrainians. This article is, frankly, Holocaust revisionism.

[–] [email protected] -2 points 1 year ago

Not sure if you're a historian or an expert on the matter but I'll believe the author way easier than I would believe someone on the internet.

I can only imagine what it was like for a Ukrainian hated by both Germany and Russia and having to choose one to fight the other, or do nothing while your country and people are killed.

[–] [email protected] -3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

And the Holodomor killed 3.5 to 5 million Ukrainians.

Holocaust bad, obviously. Holodomor also bad, obviously. Which side to join in an effort to fight off the other side? Far from obvious. This is not a simplistic a moral question as you make it out to be.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago (2 children)

The vast majority of Ukrainians chose to side with USSR against this immediate, active genocidal threat with stated plans to ethnically cleanse all Slavs, including Ukrainians. You know who else sided with them against this metastatic cancer of an ideology? Great Britain. The United States. Us. Not noted Soviet Union lovers. Because Nazi Germany was that immediate of a threat.

Cut it out with this genocide apology.

[–] [email protected] -2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I'm not "apologizing" for genocide. I'm recognizing that both the Nazis and the Soviets did them. Nazi Germany was an immediate threat to the Ukrainians. So was the Soviet Union. Eastern Europe had a really bad set of options in that war.

You realize that despite not being Soviet lovers, the US and Great Britain were attacked by the Nazis but not by the Soviets? They had it easy in the choosing-sides department. And even then the Americans sure took their time about it.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Britain wasn't attacked directly by Germany prior to the war. Britain entered when Germany attacked Poland. The US entered when Japan attacked Pearl Harbour but lend lease started before they entered the war because they understood the malignant nature of the Nazi regime. The Holodomor was a genocide which was not ongoing during the period of WW2 whereas Germany was actively razing Ukrainian villages and enslaving citizens so it was a pretty easy choice there. You making it seem as though that genocide and Generalplan Ost were concurrent threats is (intentionally?) ahistorical.

[–] [email protected] -5 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Ah yes, the Holodomor happened slightly earlier than the Holocaust, so it was all water under the bridge and Stalin should have been a totally trustworthy guy to let run Ukraine. The statute of limitations on genocide is just a couple of years.

You realize that "The Holodomor happened before the Holocaust" doesn't really help your argument much?

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

They were being actively slaughtered by a force whose ultimate goal was to eliminate them and repopulate their territory with German settlers. It was an easy choice to make in the moment.

[–] [email protected] -4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Assuming they knew about that. According to that link you pasted about Generalplan Ost the details aren't even widely known in historical hindsight.

Hell, just a quick spin around basically anywhere on the Internet should show you how spotty peoples' knowledge of politics and current events are even today.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The specifics of Generalplan Ost were secret. The anti-Slavic nature of Nazi ideology was a core feature and very much not secret.

Hunka joined the SS in 1943, by the way, after Germany had advanced over much of the USSR and committed it's atrocities there. This idea that he was just some fellow who had no idea what was going on beggars belief.

[–] [email protected] -4 points 1 year ago (2 children)

As I said in the very first comment I made in this thread, I don't know about Hunka's circumstances in particular. I've been talking about generalities this whole time.

And the thread as a whole is about generalities, too. Look at the title. "Fighting against the USSR didn’t necessarily make you a Nazi." That's the whole point here - you can be opposed to the Soviet Union, to the extent of taking up arms against it, and that doesn't automatically make you a Nazi.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago

Trying to pretend that this article came out of nowhere and wasn't triggered by and directly referencing the recent happening with Hunka is very disingenuous.

[–] oak00 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Seems like you are a Nazi though

[–] [email protected] -1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I said bad things about Stalin, so I guess that must be the case, huh.

Is there any other evidence, though? Have I said anything good about the Nazis? Or perhaps it's possible they were both bad?

[–] oak00 2 points 1 year ago

An awful lot of protesting going on here when it looks like you would have fought for the Nazis

[–] [email protected] -2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Cut it out with this genocide apology.

Cut it out with the hyperbolic bullshit. There's no genocide apologies here so get a brain.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

This is what he was fighting for. The murder of his people. Defending him is defending that, aka genocide apology. Like what you are doing now.

[–] [email protected] -2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

According to Russia’s ambassador in Canada, Hunka’s unit “committed multiple war crimes, including mass murder, against the Russian people, ethnic Russians. This is a proven fact.” But whenever a Russian official calls something a “proven fact,” it should set off alarms. And sure enough, here too the facts were invented out of thin air. Repeated exhaustive investigations — including by not only the Nuremberg trials but also the British, Canadian and even Soviet authorities — led to the conclusion that no war crimes or atrocities had been committed by this particular unit.

You're buying into Russian propaganda. Like I said, grow a brain.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

You are letting modern day conflicts blind you to history and you are letting yourself get in bed with a nazi as a result. I support Ukraine in their fight against Russia. But the Nazis murdered 11 million Slavs, 4 million of those being Ukrainian. That is a fact. Hunka fought in support of that, and now you are supporting a nazi.

You are a genocide apologist. A Holocaust revisionist. You are trying to downplay the murder of four million of my people and I will not stand for it.