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So "ability to talk" is your criteria for if something deserves empathy or not?
What about cats or dogs? Do you not feel empathy towards them either?
Studies have shown that pigs are more intelligent than dogs. By your logic, eating pigs is more cruel than eating dogs.
Alright, I never asked you to become vegan. I just pointed out your code of ethics, when it comes to what animals do and don't deserve empathy, is cruel and irrational. What you do with that information is up to you.
I love how you say "the gotcha" as it invalidated the argument. There is a paradox in your ethics, pointing out the way ppl tell you about it won't change anything about the fact being presented here.
It feels like to me that you are more concerned about winning an argument than adressing what is being talked about here.
Don't interact then. As simple as that, if you can't take input from other people on online forums.
So you are aware of the cruelty but proudly proclaim that you'll always willingly participate, no matter what?
So that makes them undeserving of anything resembling a life. Got you.
It's what's implied in your statement.
Things don't literally have to be said to be stated. You brought up that factoid (which got debunked in by someone else in the comment section who actually has experience with pigs) to imply that pigs aren't deserving of empathy like dogs are. There is literally no reason to bring that up other than a pathetic attempt at a rebuttal.
Don't fucking "bro" me dude. And I don't want your shitarse condescension.
So you're going to keep referring to me, a trans woman, with a masculine term, despite the fact that I strongly and firmly told you not to?
Let's see what the mods think about that.
If a trans woman tells you not to use masculine terms for her, don't use masculine terms for her. There is zero tolerance for transphobia on this instance.
You're gone.
No, I'm pointing out the stupidity of the argument that talking = deserving of life.
Also, "propaganda" is an interesting word choice. I bet you would call it something else if it was a message you agreed with.
Honestly this mindset shows how many quote-unquote leftists turn to right-wing tactics when people critise them for things like these.
Think about it: "Haha these people are insufferable, they must be so mad, we don't care, let's drive them off the board" is how your average 4chan chud reacts to a feminist. It's the same gut instinct.
You guys are the only ones being aggressive, methinks you are projecting.
They actually don't. I've raised pigs, and they keep themselves clean- they pick one corner of the pen to shit in and a different corner to sleep and eat in, given the opportunity. The idea that they shit where they eat is probably (dunno for sure) because they clean themselves by taking dust baths, and when it rains, the wallow turns into mud. They roll in the mud to stay cool when it's hot sometimes, but it isn't shit.
We had a pig when I was a kid who could work the lock on her pen and escape into the fields next door to eat grass. They're pretty smart.
Unclean doesn't always mean "dirty". A lot of things that are considered unclean by different religions are considered so because they're spiritually unclean, rather than literally filthy. Historical riligious objections to pork are probably because of human-transmissible parasites and disease like trichinosis, which aren't as much of a concern anymore.
Pigs were kept near to people and were a vector for disease because they share similar biology to us. They weren't unclean because they didn't wash their hands or something stupid. They were unclean because they made people sick because of they way we kept them after domestication.
Okay.
I dont get the comic either but if anything I think we can agree the way mother pigs are restrained in farrowing cages for so long doesnt seem right.
Well, put it this way, given the chance pig would happily eat you without a speck of regret.