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SACRAMENTO, Calif. (AP) — California Gov. Gavin Newsom has vetoed a bill to require human drivers on board self-driving trucks, a measure that union leaders and truck drivers said would save hundreds of thousands of jobs in the state.

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[–] [email protected] -4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Not until they're safe. The tech isn't there yet.

There's no reason to bother with autonomous vehicles if we're just going to have human drivers anyway.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] -3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I don't want companies to test drive on public roads, I did not sign up to be one of their test subjects.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

There will be testing on public roads whether you like it or not, it's inherent to how any new thing works.

[–] [email protected] -3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

We have ways to test new technologies before unleashing them onto the public, what are you talking about? Even if it's necessary to test them on public roads, they could be limited to only certain roads so people who don't want to be part of he experiment don't have to risk their lives.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

No matter how much testing they get beforehand, at some point they'll be on public roads. And when they first get access to public roads, that will be a test. That's just the only possible way for any new technology to come into being.

[–] [email protected] -3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Okay, think about medication.

They test it before it gets regulatory approval. Once the testing is done it goes to the broad public because they're found to be safe when used as directed. At no point do they experiment on people without their consent.

Obviously data is still collected after that, but that's not the same as testing - are you conflating those two things? Because by your definition, testing never ends.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Obviously data is still collected after that, but that’s not the same as testing

Semantics. It's literally the same thing, just called something different.

[–] [email protected] -3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

It's not, because data is collected forever. By that definition testing never ends and we talk past each other about the meaning of words.

There's a review process. Drugs go through stages of steadily growing numbers of volunteers, but after that the test is over.

That's what I'd want. Phase 1, these vehicles are tested on private land by highly skilled voluneers. Stage 2, they're tested on private land by laypersons. Phase 3, they're tested on a wide (but limited!) scale across selected public roads and highways.

And then testing is done. At no point is someone subjected to being tested against their will, they always have the ability to opt out. After that they'll still collect data, but it's not an experiment anymore because they're already generally recognized as safe by regulators.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Sure, if that makes you feel better

[–] [email protected] -3 points 1 year ago

I'll only feel better if we build rail. This stupid car shit is killing us.