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New revelations from the Snowden archive surface
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The most disturbing part of this for me is how:
99% of Snowden's revelations have never been published
several of the existing copies of Snowden's documents have subsequently been destroyed
I also find it depressing that people like Appelbaum are routinely criminalized:
@doom_and_gloom yes I agree. I feel like Snowden had a lot more for us than we got.
I would bet the Russians know 100% of that 99%
Come on. Snowden coughed up every thing he had in the first 48 hours. It was his rent.
So what? Once it went to a few news organizations, the Russians probably already had it by the time he arrived.
But then they couldn't ask him questions about it before he arrived...but maybe they did and his sell out happened way up the line. In any case, if you think what Trump did was wrong this was the same crime.
I don't think that whistleblowing is a crime.
There are rules to being designated a whistle-blower and he didn't follow them.
He did actually try to go through those channels, unsuccessfully, so he was left with no other choice.
That's a far cry from storming the capitol after losing the election to build an even further right state.
What matters to me is the morality of a rule (unreasonable searches, accepting loss), not the fact that a rule was broken.
He didn't get what he wanted so decided to brake the law. Does sound like Trump.
What matters to me is the morality of a rule (unreasonable searches, accepting loss), not the fact that a rule was broken.
You are not in charge of deciding the morality of law. We have courts that decide such matters. What you're really saying is that your feelings about a law is more important than the law itself.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/An_unjust_law_is_no_law_at_all
This guy: "Psshhhhh whatever, if it's not a Robocop-like fanaticism for the law, then it's feelings. I am very rational."
@explodicle yeah, @Rapidcreek's argument here hasn't really flown since before Nuremburg.
We are a nation of laws or we are not.
@Rapidcreek
Their surveillance people do, sure - just like all the 5-Eyes governments obviously know 100% and so do any spooks from anywhere else with competent spy networks, including the Chinese, Israelis, etc etc.
That's not really my point though. It's ordinary people that need to know about it.
I think they are up to 14 eyes.
Gawdamn beholder in here.
@jhulten
Good point. I have kind of lost track.
Snowden asserted and still does that he deleted his own copies once Greenwald et al. got their copies, well before he had to flee Hong Kong and ended up trapped in Russia.
Remember, it was the US who trapped him in Russia by revoking his passport -- an international crime in and of itself, rendering him stateless which no country should do to its citizens, no matter what crimes they have allegedly commited -- and he had no intention of ending up there; he was trying to get to Chile I believe, and the EU did the unprecedented step of force-grounding their equivalent of Air Force One, with their president on board, thinking Snowden was a passenger.
Imagine if the POTUS had his plane accompanied by fighter jets to force-land in any other nation. The response would have been explosive, literally. Such hypocrisy that they just wave off other nations' sovereignty and diplomatic norms on the treatment of foreign leaders so easily.
So now I'm supposed to trust what Snowden says? That's pretty funny.